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    Quote Originally Posted by JK/SEA View Post
    Does Canada still reject admission in the country if you have a DUI?
    Not sure. I know the US does. I remember reading about 10 years ago about a Canadian man who was denied entry into the US when he tried to take his daughter's to Disneyland because he had a criminal record...his crime: streaking when he was a college freshman.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    Oh, and you have no passport "rights".

    Passports are the property of the US government and issued at their discretion and benevolence only.

    They are, according to government, a "privilege".
    Yup. It's like that in every country. Passports always say "Property of the government" in them and are issued in the name of either the head of state or foreign ministry, etc.

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    It seems like you should have the right to go elsewhere (Though you don't have the right to go to a specific country; that's up to the discretion of the country) if you're willing and able.

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    Default Senate Bill 1813 Gives new powers to to IRS revoke passports - Do Something Soon

    I was wondering what Thomas Jefferson would think about senate bill 1813 with the attached amendment giving new power to the IRS to revoke and suspend passports.
    Thomas Jefferson Said
    A free people [claim] their rights as derived from the laws of nature, and not as the gift of their chief magistrate.

    A government afraid of its citizens is a Democracy. Citizens afraid of government is tyranny!

    A little rebellion now and then is a good thing and as necessary in the political world as storms in the physical.

    All tyranny needs to gain a foothold is for people of good conscience to remain silent.

    Dissent is the highest form of patriotism.

    Educate and inform the whole mass of the people...they are the only sure reliance for the preservation of our liberty.

    Experience has shown, that even under the best forms of government those entrusted with power have, in time, and by slow operations, perverted it into tyranny.

    Government big enough to supply everything you need is big enough to take everything you have. The course of history shows us that as a government grows, liberty decreases.

    Governments constantly choose between telling lies and fighting wars, with the end result always being the same. One will always lead to the other.

    I am not a friend to a very energetic government. It is always oppressive.

    I hope our wisdom will grow with our power, and teach us that the less we use our power the greater it will be.

    I would rather be exposed to the inconveniences attending too much liberty than to those attending too small a degree of it.

    In matters of style, swim with the current; In matters of principle, stand like a rock.

    My reading of history convinces me that most bad government results from too much government.

    Most bad government has grown out of too much government.

    Timid men prefer the calm of despotism to the tempestuous sea of liberty.

    The price of freedom is eternal vigilance.

    The spirit of resistance to government is so valuable on certain occasions that I wish it to be always kept alive. It will often be exercised when wrong, but better so than not to be exercised at all.

    The purpose of government is to enable the people of a nation to live in safety and happiness. Government exists for the interests of the governed, not for the governors.

    The policy of the American government is to leave their citizens free, neither restraining nor aiding them in their pursuits.

    The two enemies of the people are criminals and government, so let us tie the second down with the chains of the Constitution so the second will not become the legalized version of the first.

    The Democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those who are willing to work and give to those who would not.

    The will of the people is the only legitimate foundation of any government, and to protect its free expression should be our first object.

    There is not in the British empire a man who more cordially loves a union with Great Britain than I do. But by the God that made me, I will cease to exist before I yield to a connection on such terms as the British Parliament propose.

    Those who surrender freedom for security will not have, nor do they deserve, either one.

    To preserve our independence, we must not let our rulers load us with perpetual debt. We must make our election between economy and liberty, or profusion and servitude.

    Upon the altar of God I pledge eternal hostility against every form of tyranny over the mind of man.

    We in America do not have government by the majority. We have government by the majority who participate.

    We must not let our rulers load us with perpetual debt.

    What country can preserve its liberties if its rulers are not warned from time to time that their people preserve the spirit of resistance?

    When the people fear their government, there is tyranny; when the government fears the people, there is liberty.

    One man with courage is a majority.

    Never put off for tomorrow, what you can do today.
    (yes,all the above are Thomas Jefferson quotes)

    After reading his quotes it is easy to see that Thomas Jefferson one of the authors of the Declaration of Independence would have opposed the attached amendment in senate 1813 giving new power to the IRS to revoke and suspend passports. This bill 1813 has already passed the senate, it is very important that you contact your representatives to oppose senate bill 1813 and request that the amendment giving new power to the IRS to revoke and suspend passports removed. It is very easy to contact your representatives by email, here is the link. https://writerep.house.gov/writerep/welcome.shtml
    Thomas Jefferson would not just complain, he would do everything possible to prevent bill 1813 and the attached amendment giving new power to the IRS to revoke and suspend passports from becoming law.

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    The exits close

    A lot of people failed to understand the point of my controversial column "Against a Fence", having been distracted by the deportation discussion. Even fewer understood my reasoning behind it; many critics found it hard to wrap their minds around an anti-immigration, anti-border wall perspective. But it has always been a tautological truth that a wall designed to keep people out is just as useful for keeping people in. The proposed law to strip passports in order to better hold Americans hostage to the IRS would appear to be an indication that the time in which one easily leave the United States is rapidly coming to an end.

    The Republican House of Representatives may soon follow the Democratic Senate and give the IRS the power to confiscate your passport on mere suspicion of owing taxes. There's no place like home, comrade.

    'America, Love It Or Leave It" might be an obsolete slogan if the "bipartisan transportation bill" that just passed the Senate is approved by the House and becomes law. Contained within the suspiciously titled "Moving Ahead for Progress in the 21st Century Act," or "MAP 21," is a provision that gives the Internal Revenue Service the power to keep U.S. citizens from leaving the country if it finds that they owe $50,000 or more in unpaid taxes — no court ruling necessary.

    It is hard to imagine any law more reminiscent of the Soviet Union that America toppled, or its Eastern Bloc slave satellites.
    In a free and well-governed society, exile is a punishment. In an unfree and misgoverned one, exile is impermissible. There is no stronger indication that America is no longer free than the fact that its leadership is seriously contemplating the idea of attempting to imprison its citizens within its borders.

    For all that the Congressional actions are egregiously unconstitutional and directly opposed to the foundational principles of America, one shouldn't be surprised by any of this. This behavior is completely typical of financially desperate states that can no longer afford the costs of empire. The collapse of the Soviet Union was only the most recent example; there are many to be found throughout history...
    "The State, both in its genesis and by its primary intention, is purely anti-social. It is not based on the idea of natural rights, but on the idea that the individual has no rights except those that the State may provisionally grant him. It has always made justice costly and difficult of access, and has invariably held itself above justice and common morality whenever it could advantage itself by so doing."
    --Albert Jay Nock

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    Look how many republicans voted for this hideous bill:

    http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LI...n=2&vote=00048

    Have you noticed not too many "conservative talk show hosts" have mentioned this? Maybe because so many republicans support it? Or maybe it kind of rains on conservative's "fence idea"?

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    Boat ownership, from money pit to solid investment.

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    Sounds like a violation of involuntary servitude to me, but, yeah , having your own naval vessel to escapein may be a good idea

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    Hey I just thought of this:

    Could this be a sneaky way to provide Amnesty to all the Illegals? They probably ALL owe taxes, so under this law they can't leave!

    Sure, I know they don't have American passports, but now both the entry and exit is checked and they will want to see what papers they used to get in, etc.

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