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    Exclamation LA-Citing witnesses for perjury at this trial would be like handing out speeding tickets..

    ...at the Indy 500.

    So says a federal judge about cop witnesses in the infamous Danzinger Bridge killings.



    5 ex-cops sentenced in Katrina killings case

    By CAIN BURDEAU, Associated Press – 14 minutes ago

    http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/...09b44d53b167aa

    NEW ORLEANS (AP) — A federal judge sentenced five former police officers to years in prison for the deadly shootings on a New Orleans bridge in the chaotic days following Hurricane Katrina but not before lashing out at prosecutors for allowing others involved to serve lighter penalties for their crimes. The case that wrapped up Wednesday was the centerpiece of a Justice Department push to clean up New Orleans' police department that has long been tainted with corruption.

    U.S. District Judge Kurt Engelhardt expressed frustration that he was bound by mandatory minimum sentencing laws to imprison former Sgts. Kenneth Bowen and Robert Gisevius and former officers Anthony Villavaso and Robert Faulcon for decades when other officers who engaged in similar conduct on the Danziger Bridge — but cut deals with prosecutors — are serving no more than eight years behind bars.

    "These through-the-looking-glass plea deals that tied the hands of this court ... are an affront to the court and a disservice to the community," he said.

    Police gunned down 17-year-old James Brissette and 40-year-old Ronald Madison, who were both unarmed, and wounded four others on Sept. 4, 2005, less than a week after the storm devastated New Orleans. To cover it up, the officers planted a gun, fabricated witnesses and falsified reports. Defense attorneys have indicated they will appeal.

    Engelhardt also criticized prosecutors for the different ways they charged those who didn't cooperate with a Justice Department civil rights investigation and those who did. The charges were filed in such a way that they left judges with little discretion in handing out sentences in each set of cases, Engelhardt said.

    Faulcon received the stiffest sentence of 65 years. Bowen and Gisevius each got 40 years while Villavaso was sentenced to 38. All four were convicted of federal firearms charges that carried mandatory minimum sentences ranging from 35 to 60 years in prison. Faulcon was convicted in both deadly shootings.

    "The court imposes them purely as a matter of statutory mandate," Engelhardt said.

    Retired Sgt. Arthur "Archie" Kaufman, who was assigned to investigate the shootings, received six years in prison — a sentence below the federal guidelines. Kaufman wasn't charged in the shootings but was convicted of helping orchestrate the cover-up.

    During a scathing lecture that lasted roughly two hours, Engelhardt questioned the credibility of officers who cut deals and testified against the defendants during last year's trial.

    "Citing witnesses for perjury at this trial would be like handing out speeding tickets at the Indy 500," Engelhardt said.

    Justice Department attorney Bobbi Bernstein defended prosecutors' tactics, saying the officers who cooperated with the probe gave them the breakthrough they needed to reveal the cover-up.

    "Those deals are the reason that the whole world now knows what happened on the Danziger Bridge," she said.

    The sentences were significantly lower than what prosecutors had recommended. They had asked the judge to sentence the four shooters to prison terms ranging from nearly 60 years for Villavaso to 87 years for Faulcon.

    Engelhardt questioned why prosecutors sought a 20-year prison sentence for Kaufman when Michael Lohman, who was the highest-ranking officer at the scene of the shooting and assigned Kaufman to investigate, got just four years after pleading guilty to participating in the cover-up. Engelhardt said Lohman had the authority to quash the cover-up and didn't.

    "The buck started and stopped with him," the judge said.

    He also questioned why prosecutors allowed a former detective, Jeffrey Lehrmann, to receive a sentence of three years in prison when his role in the conspiracy was similar to Kaufman's.

    "These sentences are, in the court's opinion, blind," Engelhardt said.

    Steve London, one of Kaufman's attorneys, said his client was pleased that the judge gave him a sentence below the guidelines, which had called for a sentence ranging from a little over eight years to a little over 10.

    "This judge recognized that the government put liars on the stand to testify and convict other people," London said.

    Lindsay Larson, one of Faulcon's attorneys, said the judge "laid out the blueprint" for how defense attorneys will challenge the firearms convictions and sentences.

    "We have only just begun to fight," he said.

    Tom Perez, head of the Justice Department's civil rights division, said federal investigators transformed a cold case into the "most significant police case since Rodney King."

    "We didn't have a case in 2008 when we inherited this. We had nothing. And hindsight is 20/20. It is easy to look back in hindsight and say why did you do this, why did you do that," he said. "You don't go to the witness store to pick out your witnesses. You take what is dealt."

    Engelhardt heard hours of arguments and testimony earlier Wednesday from prosecutors, defense attorneys, relatives of shooting victims and the officers.

    "This has been a long and painful six-and-a-half years," said Lance Madison, whose mentally disabled brother, Ronald, was killed. "The people of New Orleans and my family are ready for justice."

    He addressed each defendant individually, including Faulcon, who shot his brother: "When I look at you, my pain becomes unbearable. You took the life of an angel and basically ripped my heart out."

    Madison also said he was horrified by Kaufman's actions and role in the cover-up: "You tried to frame me, a man you knew was innocent, and send me to prison for the rest of my life." Lance Madison was arrested on attempted murder charges after police falsely accused him of shooting at the officers on the bridge. He was jailed for three weeks before a judge freed him.

    The Rev. Robert Faulcon Sr. told the judge his son "didn't go looking for trouble."

    "He was on duty and he was called to do a job, and that's what he did to the best of his ability," the elder Faulcon said.

    Twenty current or former New Orleans police officers have been charged in a series of Justice Department probes, most of which center on actions during the aftermath of Katrina. Eleven of those officers were charged in the Danziger Bridge case, which stunned a city with a long history of police corruption.

    Katrina struck on Aug. 29, 2005, leading to the collapse of levees and flooding an estimated 80 percent of the city. New Orleans was plunged into chaos as residents who hadn't evacuated were driven from their homes to whatever high places they could find.

    Officers who worked in the city at the time but were not charged in the bridge case on Wednesday told Engelhardt of the lawlessness that followed the flood, and that they feared for their lives.

    On the morning of Sept. 4, one group of residents was crossing the Danziger Bridge in the city's Gentilly area to what they perceived as safety when police arrived.

    The officers had received calls that shots were being fired. Gunfire reports were common after Katrina.

    Faulcon was convicted of fatally shooting Madison, but the jury decided the killing didn't amount to murder. He, Gisevius, Bowen and Villavaso were convicted in Brissette's killing, but jurors didn't hold any of them individually responsible for causing his death.

    All five were convicted of participating in a cover-up.

    Wednesday's sentencing isn't the final chapter in the case. The convicted officers are expected to appeal, and Gerard Dugue, a retired sergeant, is scheduled to be retried in May on charges stemming from his alleged role in the cover-up.
    “Civilizations die from suicide, not by murder.” - Arnold Toynbee



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    Thumbs up 5 former New Orleans cops get stiff sentences in Katrina bridge shootings, cover-up

    5 former New Orleans cops get stiff sentences in Katrina bridge shootings, cover-up

    By NBC News and news services, msnbc.com

    Five former New Orleans police officers were sentenced to long prison terms Wednesday for their roles in the shootings at a bridge that left two civilians dead and four others wounded in the chaotic aftermath of Hurricane Katrina.

    A federal judge sentenced four of the officers convicted of participating in the shootings to terms ranging from 38 years to 65 years, according to local media reports. The fifth officer received six years for covering up the killings.

    U.S. District Judge Kurt Engelhardt called it “a sad day for New Orleans” and also criticized the plea bargains that other officers got in exchange for cooperating with the government, NOLA.com reported.

    "Using liars to convict liars is no way to pursue justice," Engelhardt said, according to NOLA.com.

    The Justice Department hailed the lengthy sentences in a case that shed a national spotlight on New Orleans police corruption as testament that “no one is above the law."

    “We hope that today’s sentences give a measure of peace and closure to the victims of this terrible shooting, who have suffered unspeakable pain and who have waited so patiently for justice to be done,” Thomas E. Perez, assistant attorney general for the Justice Department’s civil rights division, said in a statement. “The officers who shot innocent people on the bridge and then went to great lengths to cover up their own crimes have finally been held accountable for their actions. As a result of today’s sentencing, the city of New Orleans can take another step forward.”

    Kenneth Bowen, 38; Robert Gisevius, 39; Anthony Villavaso, 35; and Robert Faulcon, 48, were convicted in August of civil-rights violations and firearms and other charges in the shootings, according to The Associated Press. Retired Sgt. Arthur "Archie" Kaufman, who was assigned to investigate the shootings, was convicted of helping orchestrate the cover-up.

    Faulcon received the stiffest sentence, 65 years. Bowen and Gisevius each got 40 years, and Villavaso got 38 years. Kaufman got the lightest sentence, six years.

    Bowen, Gisevius, Villavaso and Faulcon were among about a dozen officers who responded to a radio call that someone was shooting at police near the Danziger Bridge in east New Orleans on Sept. 4, 2005. That was less than a week after Katrina made landfall, swamping a good part of the city and leading to televised scenes of looting and lawlessness in some neighborhoods.

    Witnesses testified that the officers jumped out of a truck and fired with AK-47s and shotguns at unarmed civilians walking on the bridge.

    The officers later claimed they shot only after being threatened or fired on and that they had seen weapons in the victims' hands.

    Prosecutors said the people on the bridge were families seeking food.

    Read local coverage on WDSU.com

    A New Orleans couple, their daughter and their nephew were among those wounded, and a family friend, James Brissette, 17, was killed. He was shot in the back, the leg, both arms and the back of the head, and died on the bridge, according to the Justice Department.

    At a second shooting a few minutes later on the west side of the bridge, Ronald Madison, a 40-year-old man with severe mental and physical disabilities, was shot in the back while running away. He died near the base of the bridge.

    Kaufman, the lead investigator in the case, retired from the force in May 2011. He planted a gun at the scene and helped falsify official reports of the shootings, according to media reports.

    The sentencing came after a morning of testimony from victims of the shootings as well as family members and friends of the former police officers.

    Lance Madison told the court his brother Ronald was "gunned down and killed without mercy" by police that day, NOLA.com reported.

    Madison told the five former officers: "You are the reason I can no longer trust law enforcement," according to NOLA.com.

    Five other former NOPD officers who pleaded guilty before trial, admitting that they had participated in a conspiracy to obstruct justice and cover-up, were all sentenced previously. They got prison terms ranging from three years to eight years.

    Information from NOLA.com., WDSU.com and The Associated Press is included in this report.
    “The spirits of darkness are now among us. We have to be on guard so that we may realize what is happening when we encounter them and gain a real idea of where they are to be found. The most dangerous thing you can do in the immediate future will be to give yourself up unconsciously to the influences which are definitely present.” ~ Rudolf Steiner

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    “We hope that today’s sentences give a measure of peace and closure to the victims of this terrible shooting, who have suffered unspeakable pain and who have waited so patiently for justice to be done,” Thomas E. Perez, assistant attorney general for the Justice Department’s civil rights division, said in a statement. “The officers who shot innocent people on the bridge and then went to great lengths to cover up their own crimes have finally been held accountable for their actions. As a result of today’s sentencing, the city of New Orleans can take another step forward.”
    Peace and closure? What ever happened to life without parole? Oh that's right. That is only given to mundanes that gun down law dogs.

    This $#@! has got to end. Not only did they cover for each others asses the court system did too.

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    “We hope that today’s sentences give a measure of peace and closure to the victims of this terrible shooting, who have suffered unspeakable pain and who have waited so patiently for justice to be done,” Thomas E. Perez, assistant attorney general for the Justice Department’s civil rights division, said in a statement. “The officers who shot innocent people on the bridge and then went to great lengths to cover up their own crimes have finally been held accountable for their actions. As a result of today’s sentencing, the city of New Orleans can take another step forward.”
    Peace and closure? What ever happened to life without parole? Oh that's right. That is only given to mundanes that gun down law dogs.

    This $#@! has got to end. Not only did they cover for each others asses the court system did too. As they always do.

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    I am still amazed this took 6 years to try.
    “The spirits of darkness are now among us. We have to be on guard so that we may realize what is happening when we encounter them and gain a real idea of where they are to be found. The most dangerous thing you can do in the immediate future will be to give yourself up unconsciously to the influences which are definitely present.” ~ Rudolf Steiner

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    All animals are equal. Some animals are more equal than others.



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    On appeal I say that they get even less.

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    Quote Originally Posted by donnay View Post
    ...
    Prosecutors said the people on the bridge were families seeking food....
    No one here wanted to be the Billionaire.

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    Good. Justice.
    Ron Paul: "For those who have asked, I freely confess that Jesus Christ is my personal Savior, and that I seek His guidance in all that I do."

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    Quote Originally Posted by BlackTerrel View Post
    Good. Justice.
    You call this 'justice?' I call it travesty. Any citizen would have gotten life in prison for what was done there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by phill4paul View Post
    You call this 'justice?' I call it travesty. Any citizen would have gotten life in prison for what was done there.

    Or the death penalty.
    “The spirits of darkness are now among us. We have to be on guard so that we may realize what is happening when we encounter them and gain a real idea of where they are to be found. The most dangerous thing you can do in the immediate future will be to give yourself up unconsciously to the influences which are definitely present.” ~ Rudolf Steiner

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    Quote Originally Posted by donnay View Post
    Or the death penalty.
    As horrible as it sounds, a few cops need to be given the death penalty in high profile cases to set an example. No one is above the law. Kill an innocent person and you forfeit your life.

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    Quote Originally Posted by eduardo89 View Post
    As horrible as it sounds, a few cops need to be given the death penalty in high profile cases to set an example. No one is above the law. Kill an innocent person and you forfeit your life.
    I am pro-life all the way. Personally, I would rather seem them doing a life of REALLY hard labor--make their lives miserable, a hell on earth.

    Then again, from what I understand cops don't fare well in prison.
    “The spirits of darkness are now among us. We have to be on guard so that we may realize what is happening when we encounter them and gain a real idea of where they are to be found. The most dangerous thing you can do in the immediate future will be to give yourself up unconsciously to the influences which are definitely present.” ~ Rudolf Steiner

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    Quote Originally Posted by donnay View Post
    I am pro-life all the way. Personally, I would rather seem them doing a life of REALLY hard labor--make their lives miserable, a hell on earth.

    Then again, from what I understand cops don't fare well in prison.
    I'm pro-life as well, and that's why I actually support the death penalty (sounds contradictory, but it's not really). But that's a discussion for a different thread.

    I don't know about the hard labor part...as much as you'd like to create hell on earth for them, anything on earth will be heaven compared to the torments of eternity with Satan.



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    Quote Originally Posted by eduardo89 View Post
    I'm pro-life as well, and that's why I actually support the death penalty (sounds contradictory, but it's not really). But that's a discussion for a different thread.

    I don't know about the hard labor part...as much as you'd like to create hell on earth for them, anything on earth will be heaven compared to the torments of eternity with Satan.
    Which might have them get on their knees and ask for forgiveness before they take their last breath.
    “The spirits of darkness are now among us. We have to be on guard so that we may realize what is happening when we encounter them and gain a real idea of where they are to be found. The most dangerous thing you can do in the immediate future will be to give yourself up unconsciously to the influences which are definitely present.” ~ Rudolf Steiner

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    Quote Originally Posted by donnay View Post
    Or the death penalty.
    Not as satisfying as a death penalty verdict would have been, but I'm fairly confident that all will be brutally murdered by inmates within the year.
    The main difference between the right and the left is that a right wing politician claims to protect your economic freedom, but does not, whereas a left wing politician claims to protect your social/personal freedom, but does not.

    weak minds follow, conventional minds lead, great minds question

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    Quote Originally Posted by Freedom 4 all View Post
    Not as satisfying as a death penalty verdict would have been, but I'm fairly confident that all will be brutally murdered by inmates within the year.
    Every few days I read about numerous police officers etc getting killed in afganistan for what appears to be going along with the invaders. We have seen a few similar incidents here. I will not be the least bit surprised when it happens here on a more frequent basis. The future does not look bright.

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    Quote Originally Posted by donnay View Post
    I am still amazed this took 6 years to try.
    Part of the reason for that is that for roughly three years the cover up worked.

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    Quote Originally Posted by eduardo89 View Post
    As horrible as it sounds, a few cops need to be given the death penalty in high profile cases to set an example. No one is above the law. Kill an innocent person and you forfeit your life.
    The death penalty doesn't deter crime.

    You really think anyone is going "40 years no big deal... but death penalty whoa I'll change my behavior".

    I think most people would look at a 40 year prison stay as equivalent to a death sentence.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BlackTerrel View Post
    The death penalty doesn't deter crime.

    You really think anyone is going "40 years no big deal... but death penalty whoa I'll change my behavior".

    I think most people would look at a 40 year prison stay as equivalent to a death sentence.
    I cannot, in good conscience, support the death penalty, even for the worst sort of murders, which these were.

    Murder under color of law.

    The state has a long track record of getting it wrong.
    Last edited by Anti Federalist; 04-05-2012 at 08:56 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    I cannot, in good conscience, support the death penalty, even for the worst sort of murders, which these were.

    Murder under color of law.

    The state has a long track record of getting it wrong.
    I'm OK with the death penalty, but my standard is there can be no doubt and quilt is unquestioned (multiple witnesses and have it on film, etc.) If there is any possibility that the defendant is not guilty, life should be the max penalty.
    Out of every one hundred men they send us, ten should not even be here. Eighty will do nothing but serve as targets for the enemy. Nine are real fighters, and we are lucky to have them, upon them depends our success in battle. But one, ah the one, he is a real warrior, and he will bring the others back from battle alive.

    Duty is the most sublime word in the English language. Do your duty in all things. You can not do more than your duty. You should never wish to do less than your duty.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pericles View Post
    I'm OK with the death penalty, but my standard is there can be no doubt and quilt is unquestioned (multiple witnesses and have it on film, etc.) If there is any possibility that the defendant is not guilty, life should be the max penalty.
    I've seen enough cases where the cops sweated (tortured) a confession out of somebody, and then had witnesses lined up to back it up, when, years later, it was proved that there was no way the person could have done it.

    I just posted a story like that, yesterday I think, about some poor bastard that's been serving a life sentence for a double murder that occurred while he was already in jail for another alleged crime.

    I don't trust the system with the lives of foreigners who fall under the drone's eye, nor do I trust it to administer "ultimate justice", even when, as in this case, justice would be served by having these men swing.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    I've seen enough cases where the cops sweated (tortured) a confession out of somebody, and then had witnesses lined up to back it up, when, years later, it was proved that there was no way the person could have done it.

    I just posted a story like that, yesterday I think, about some poor bastard that's been serving a life sentence for a double murder that occurred while he was already in jail for another alleged crime.

    I don't trust the system with the lives of foreigners who fall under the drone's eye, nor do I trust it to administer "ultimate justice", even when, as in this case, justice would be served by having these men swing.
    Completely agree with you. That's why, although in theory I am in favor of the death penalty, I do not like seeing it used knowing well how flawed and corrupt the system is.

    I do, however, think it should be an option. There are certain cases where nothing short of the death penalty is an appropriate punishment. Imagine someone kidnaps, brutally tortures and rapes a child, then kills them...that's perhaps the most heinous of crimes. I do not believe life in prison is appropriate, especially knowing there are sick, twisted individuals who will relish in the thoughts of their crimes until the day they die. Certain cases do warrant the death penalty.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    I've seen enough cases where the cops sweated (tortured) a confession out of somebody, and then had witnesses lined up to back it up, when, years later, it was proved that there was no way the person could have done it.

    I just posted a story like that, yesterday I think, about some poor bastard that's been serving a life sentence for a double murder that occurred while he was already in jail for another alleged crime.

    I don't trust the system with the lives of foreigners who fall under the drone's eye, nor do I trust it to administer "ultimate justice", even when, as in this case, justice would be served by having these men swing.
    Fair enough, but in the case of the Ft. Hood shooter for example, it is what I would think of as a "clean" case.
    Out of every one hundred men they send us, ten should not even be here. Eighty will do nothing but serve as targets for the enemy. Nine are real fighters, and we are lucky to have them, upon them depends our success in battle. But one, ah the one, he is a real warrior, and he will bring the others back from battle alive.

    Duty is the most sublime word in the English language. Do your duty in all things. You can not do more than your duty. You should never wish to do less than your duty.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pericles View Post
    Fair enough, but in the case of the Ft. Hood shooter for example, it is what I would think of as a "clean" case.
    I hear ya brother, I really do.

    I have to bite my tongue on cases like that as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by eduardo89 View Post
    Certain cases do warrant the death penalty.
    I agree with you and Pericles on that idea, that yes it is warranted.

    There is just no way, based on what we have now, that it can be administered in way shape or form that would truly uphold justice, IMO.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BlackTerrel View Post
    I think most people would look at a 40 year prison stay as equivalent to a death sentence.
    Like Charles Manson?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    I agree with you and Pericles on that idea, that yes it is warranted.

    There is just no way, based on what we have now, that it can be administered in way shape or form that would truly uphold justice, IMO.
    And I'm in 100% agreeing with you. There are very, very, very few cases where it's clear who the perpetrator was and most cases rely on circumstantial evidence that can be manipulated as well as poor council on the part of the dependent. That's why I do agree that there are very few cases where one can confidently rest assured knowing that an innocent man was not executed.

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