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    Days after night time massacre of civilians, Afghans gets veto power over NATO night raids

    This looks like a major change in Afghan freedom war policy:

    Afghanistan gets veto power over NATO night raids

    msnbc.com - ‎Apr 8, 2012‎

    By Reuters KABUL -- Afghanistan and the United States reached a deal on Sunday to curb night raids on Afghan homes, giving Kabul a veto over the operations despised by most local people and clearing the way for a wider pact securing a US presence.
    http://worldnews.msnbc.msn.com/_news...to-night-raids


    This massacre of civilians few days ago hardened Afghan stance against night raids:

    U.S. Soldier Kills 16 Afghan Civilians Including 9 Children – U.S. Fears Reprisals

    On Sunday night, a U.S. soldier broke into civilian houses in a village in Panjwal district, ...
    Eyewitnesses reported that a group of U.S. soldiers arrived at night and one U.S. soldier broke open and attacked three houses without provocation. The ‘rogue’ soldier killed 11 people in the first house and a total of 16 people including 9 children.
    http://www.jdjournal.com/2012/03/12/...ars-reprisals/
    Last edited by moderate libertarian; 04-09-2012 at 09:24 PM.



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    "You veto our military action? **turns to high command of the military**...Release the poppy product into the civilian population."

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    Yea, that would set em strait.

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    Not really, apparently:

    US Quietly Plans to Betray Afghan Pact on Night Raids


    Washington has relinquished control and final say over special operations night raids in Afghanistan to the Kabul government, but U.S. officials are quietly planning to ignore the agreement’s binding clauses.

    In order to agree on a security arrangement governing U.S. military presence after U.S. combat troops withdraw in 2014, Kabul has essentially forced the Obama administration to concede two vital sticking points. First, control of Afghan prisons needed to be ceded to the Kabul government, which happened in March.

    Second, the U.S. either needed to stop all night raids or, as a compromise, let the Afghan government be in charge of them an have veto-power over them in the case that an Afghan panel refuses to grant a warrant. An agreement on this was reached this week.

    But as Pentagon spokesman Capt. John Kirby told reporters on Monday, “In practical terms, not much has changed.” He insisted, despite the official memorandum requiring U.S. forces to obtain a warrant from an Afghan panel, that President Hamid Karzai will not hold “a veto” over U.S. special operations missions conducted Afghanistan.

    “It defines it fairly narrowly, and leaves open the possibility of a counterterrorism raid conducted by a CIA paramilitary group or other unit,” said Lisa Curtis, a South Asia specialist at the Heritage Foundation, a conservative Washington think tank. “That’s not to say those operations will occur regularly … but it stands to reason that if the United States had a very high-value target in its sights, it would pursue that target as it needed to.”

    While U.S. officials won’t say it explicitly, mindful of the delicate diplomatic process, the agreement will be largely ignored. “If there’s a threat to the homeland, the United States always reserves the ability to act unilaterally,” said Rick “Ozzie” Nelson, senior fellow at the Center for Strategic and International Studies. “The rhetoric may not line up with that, however, because we have the need for an agreement with the Afghan government beyond 2014,” when U.S. combat forces are scheduled to leave.

    Of course, what qualifies as a “threat to the homeland” is up to the administration, Joint Special Operations Command and the CIA, who typically have carried out the night raids. Night raids are one of the most hated aspects of the U.S. occupation in Afghanistan, infamously fueling resentment and often ending with the killing or arrest of innocents.

    With night raids, the Obama administration has attempted to ease the pain, at least the public relations aspect of it, by training loyal Afghan forces to participate in them with U.S. forces in the hopes that it will help reduce civilian casualties. That this sort of reform was needed, speaks for itself.

    The U.S. plan to completely ignore a binding agreement with the government of Afghanistan is characteristic of this administration’s approach to issues in foreign policy: rule of law be damned.

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    "Well you may throw your rock and hide your hand
    Workin' in the dark against your fellow man
    But as sure as God made black and white
    What's done in the dark will be brought to the light" Johnny Cash

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    Quote Originally Posted by ExPatPaki View Post
    Not surprised.

    Quote Originally Posted by phill4paul View Post
    "Well you may throw your rock and hide your hand
    Workin' in the dark against your fellow man
    But as sure as God made black and white
    What's done in the dark will be brought to the light" Johnny Cash
    One shivers at the thought of how God could process tools/lobbies/politicians that enable war crimes against civilians.



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