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At least the Allies had a reason to bomb Dresden. The Germans would purposely bomb cities with large amounts of citizens in Britain.Bombing of Dresden anyone? Our U.S. government claims that Dresden was a manufacturing city that had to be bombed....is this true? I doubt it was true since we were already winning the war before the carpet bombing of Dresden.
Moreover, we gave the Japanese an ultimatum, surrender or get bombed. They ignored us. Their fault, not ours.
BTW, for all of those who say "we just killed innocent civilians!", Hiroshima was actually a very strategic decision. It was an industrial port where military headquarters were.
This is one of my biggest pet peeves with our group, we generalize way too much.
Last edited by No Free Beer; 04-04-2012 at 07:32 PM.
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You missed the part where Japan was trying to surrender for a year and we intentionally kept the war going and then nuked them.
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Pretty rich coming from the country that started dropping bombs on us before we knew we were at even at war. Oh wait - there's no such thing as honor in war. Having said that, we won. I don't care how we did it, and I am happy about that.
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I agree. It was a war crime. It was completely unnecessary, the U.S. should have accepted Japan's surrender.
Nagasaki was a secondary target due to poor weather and visibility.
The idea that all of you would have the knowledge, experience, and temperament to declare what you would have done in the heat of the moment, all while announcing this in hindsight. Brilliant.
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While I have extreme reservations on the legitimacy of how the War of Pacific started, I have little problems with how it ended. You have to remember there was a failed coup d'etat within the Japanese military AFTER the bombs were dropped and AFTER the Emperor had resigned to surrender.
Last edited by AuH20; 04-04-2012 at 09:54 PM.
IMO, Truman played the best poker bluff of all time with the Nuclear weapons. He told the Japanese that we'd drop one a week until they surrendered when in actual truth it would've taken another 3-4 months to get another weapon built after Nagasaki.
Also, to whoever said the Russians "stole" our nuclear technology, Fuchs basically gave it to them and there was considerable speculation at the time that he may have had lots of help on the inside at Los Alamos.
Last edited by AuH20; 04-04-2012 at 09:53 PM.
You have to keep in mind, just prior, we had fought two of the nastiest conflicts in human history at Iwo Jima and Okinawa. The Japanese Army had fought for almost a month and to the very last man over a 8 square mile island at Iwo Jima and Okinawa was every bit as savage and even bloodier. We had to take that into account when looking at the prospect of invading Honshu; the world would have ran red with blood. Add to that the thought of rolling out the welcoming mat for the Soviets and you have very good reason to try and end the war post haste.
ROLL TIDE ROLL!!!
Last edited by oyarde; 04-05-2012 at 01:18 AM.
Also, the US had been fighting a proxy war with Japan since 1937...
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