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    Quote Originally Posted by Lishy View Post
    If we remove all bases, a country can set up around us, and we might be trapped.
    Trapped? Where do you want to escape to?

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    Quote Originally Posted by eduardo89 View Post
    How exactly did bases in Saudis Arabia, Kuwait and Bahrain stop a terrorist attack from people in that region? Oh wait, it caused it.
    Sort of. At the end of the day, Al Qaeda members are irrational and make up their own rules. A lot of their actions go against the Quran, so it wasn't JUST our bases in Saudi Arabia.
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    I think he should start taking his own advice and it's about time he starts doing his job of defending the Constitution's natural born citizen requirements instead of suggesting they are irrelevant

    "We should know the truth and we should follow the rule, we should follow the law, we should follow what the Constitution says about who is qualified to be President. So, I am very open-minded about looking at all of that."
    - Ron Paul
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    Ron Paul: Obama's Constitutional Eligibility To Be President Is Irrelevant - 4/20/11
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Porel0FMEHU

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    Quote Originally Posted by No Free Beer View Post
    Sort of. At the end of the day, Al Qaeda members are irrational and make up their own rules. A lot of their actions go against the Quran, so it wasn't JUST our bases in Saudi Arabia.
    They are not irrational actors though. Read Michael Scheuer's book. They have reasons for hating and attacking the US. Bin Laden understood that he wouldn't be able to defeat the US by violence, but instead by coaxing them into unwinable wars he'd send them down a path of self destruction financially.

    But you're right, it wasn't just about bases in Saudi Arabia. It also has a lot to do with American support for the Zionist regime occupying the Holy Land.

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    Quote Originally Posted by eduardo89 View Post
    Bin Laden understood that he wouldn't be able to defeat the US by violence, but instead by coaxing them into unwinable wars he'd send them down a path of self destruction financially.
    OBL won the war with the passage of the Patriot Act.

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    Quote Originally Posted by otherone View Post
    OBL won the war with the passage of the Patriot Act.
    And the $4 trillion (and counting) in extra debt that the war on terror has added.

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    Quote Originally Posted by No Free Beer View Post
    government doesn't always equate to violence.
    Yes it does. That's the point: government, by definition, is violence. Do what the state says or get dragged to jail.

    Immigration restrictions are unjust because the state is injecting itself into peaceful trade between 2 parties. I want to sell my land to an "illegal" immigrant then they come and drag us both to jail through violence.

    If more Americans recognized the violent basis of government we'd have a lot less of it.


    Edit: This is also what Ron Paul means when he says "Eveything the government does is a mandate."
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    Quote Originally Posted by No Free Beer View Post
    Sort of. At the end of the day, Al Qaeda members are irrational and make up their own rules. A lot of their actions go against the Quran, so it wasn't JUST our bases in Saudi Arabia.
    It was mostly foreign policy...

    Here is Osama's 1998 Fatwa:

    First, for over seven years the United States has been occupying the lands of Islam in the holiest of places, the Arabian Peninsula, plundering its riches, dictating to its rulers, humiliating its people, terrorizing its neighbors, and turning its bases in the Peninsula into a spearhead through which to fight the neighboring Muslim peoples. (1)

    If some people have in the past argued about the fact of the occupation, all the people of the Peninsula have now acknowledged it. The best proof of this is the Americans' continuing aggression against the Iraqi people using the Peninsula as a staging post, even though all its rulers are against their territories being used to that end, but they are helpless.

    Second, despite the great devastation inflicted on the Iraqi people by the crusader-Zionist alliance, and despite the huge number of those killed, which has exceeded 1 million... despite all this, the Americans are once against trying to repeat the horrific massacres, as though they are not content with the protracted blockade imposed after the ferocious war or the fragmentation and devastation. (2)

    So here they come to annihilate what is left of this people and to humiliate their Muslim neighbors.

    Third, if the Americans' aims behind these wars are religious and economic, the aim is also to serve the Jews' petty state and divert attention from its occupation of Jerusalem and murder of Muslims there. The best proof of this is their eagerness to destroy Iraq, the strongest neighboring Arab state, and their endeavor to fragment all the states of the region such as Iraq, Saudi Arabia, Egypt, and Sudan into paper statelets and through their disunion and weakness to guarantee Israel's survival and the continuation of the brutal crusade occupation of the Peninsula. (3)
    Basically, Osama declared the Fatwa because:

    1) US troops in Saudia Arabia
    2) US attacks on Iraq between Iraq War 1 and Iraq War 2
    3) US supports Israel

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jingles View Post
    His position on abortion is really like mine. I find abortion abhorrent, but I don't really want to government involved in the issue (although he would leave it to the states which is where the issue should be).
    Okay, I keep seeing this and want to set the record straight. He would not leave the legality of abortion to the states. He would repeal Roe v. Wade, and enact a Federal law defining life as beginning at conception. Paul would then leave it up to the states as to how they want to prosecute people who have abortions, much like murder.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nirvikalpa View Post
    You need to take a stroll around your ER/ED, a children's hospice, or a general hospice.
    You have a right to life. You do not have a right to death.

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