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    Tonight I went to an invitation-only meeting, whose sole purpose was to destroy Ron Paul's effectiveness in Washington's Clark County Convention on March 31st.

    First, a little back story. It is no secret by now that in other areas of Washington, and probably around the country, the GOP establishment is scrambling to deny Ron Paul any delegate slots. In Washington there is an organized effort to create a "Unity Slate" that consists of Romney, Gingrich and Santorum delegates, and to get supporters of all three candidates to vote as a bloc for this slate of delegates. The primary force behind this scheme is the Romney campaign, and it should be no surprise that they always end up with the lion's share of delegates listed on the slate.

    I can't spill all the details of how I ended up getting into this thing, nor all the details of the meeting itself, lest any information be easily traceable back to myself. I was there 'undercover.' What follows is a brief account of what I saw:

    An extremely large number of people filed into a large convention room. The meeting organizers began to speak, one after the other. It was immediately made clear by the organizers that their goal was to block Ron Paul delegates from succeeding at the convention. A speaker rattled off a long list of mostly fabricated grievances against supporters of Ron Paul, calling us liars, backstabbers, and cheats. Then he went on to list the results from recent conventions in other areas of the state. In every case, Ron Paul had walked away with a vast majority of delegate spots, while the other candidates received relatively few. With each result being read, there was an audible gasp of shock and horror from the audience. With every accusation flung at the Ron Paul crowd, there were exclamations of "Oh my..." and a synchronized shaking of old gray heads around the room. Ron Paul supporters send e-mails to each other coaching on how to pretend to be republicans, or how to pretend they go to church. Ron Paul supporters unnecessarily delay conventions with parliamentary tactics for upwards of 14 hours so that supporters of other candidates will leave. Ron Paul supporters make deals and promises, then back-stab everyone. Ron Paul supporters will NOT vote for anyone except Ron Paul. The ultimate conclusion: Ron Paul supporters must be stopped, at all costs. The best way to do it? Rally behind Mitt Romney, who's already won anyway, and don't worry: we'll throw some delegates at the other guys, too.

    A Q&A session was opened up. A few people asked confused questions about the agenda. Some people spoke out against those mean old Ron Paul supporters. Some people questioned whether or not this agenda helped Gingrich or Santorum at all. Then, from the side of the room, an older gentleman who had his hand raised was called upon. To paraphrase, he said, "I'm a Ron Paul supporter, and frankly I'm disgusted by this whole thing." The primary organizer told him to leave, and everyone cheered as he was ejected. I sat in silence as my compatriot left the room with dignity and honor. I wanted to yell at them all myself, go outside and shake the stranger's hand, but alas, I was incognito and needed to remain that way.

    The meeting proceeded. Supporters from each campaign spoke in favor of the plan. Local politicians and GOP bosses spoke in favor of the plan. Reluctantly acknowledged from the back of the room, and given a mere two minutes or so to speak, a volunteer from Rick Santorum's national campaign spoke fervently to the crowd: This plan is NOT endorsed by the Santorum campaign, he said. Ron Paul supporters are NOT backstabbers and cheats, and he relayed his experiences in other areas of the state where Santorum and Paul delegations had successfully teamed up to block Romney, with Paul supporters fulfilling their end of the bargain to the very end. His protestations were ended swiftly as more vehemently anti-Paul GOP insiders were called upon to herd the Santorum supporters back into the fold.

    Then the meeting broke into groups, organized by legislative district, where delegates for the slate were selected among the participants. Everyone voted on a limited slate. The goal was to narrow the slate and focus their votes in order to beat us on Saturday. Supporters of Romney were overwhelmingly chosen on the slate, with a fair smattering of Santorum backers, and a microscopic portion of Gingrich.

    Some Santorum voters saw through the fraud. The national campaign organizer had a small circle of supporters around him, and he walked around the crowd working on them hard for as long as he could. I'm surprised he was allowed in at all - but then again, I believe the organizers would have caught major flak if not.

    When it was all over I felt rather dirty. This should give you a clue as to what we're up against: the establishment has chosen Romney, and they have set their sights on Ron Paul. They are unbelievably corrupt, skilled at manipulation, and they hold the reigns of all the important power positions. But that should also tell you something else:

    WE are a FORCE to be RECKONED WITH, AND THEY ARE SCARED!
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    ^^^ Thank You for this.

    I am going to do everything in my power to make sure the right people know this and to be prepared.


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    + rep! Thanks for sharing.

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    +rep. I almost threw up reading this. You guys need to be strong - keep up the good work. And record everything.

    Next time, if you are again invited to one of these things, record it if at all possible. Have a hidden camera. The same goes for anybody who gets invited to one of these things - record it clandestinely, if possible. Don't give them a fucking inch.

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    I guess I still can't process that this man was kicked out for admitting to support Ron Paul. I hope he writes an editorial so we can get it out there.
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    SALUTE to you, great job.

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    Differences aside, its time to team up with Santorum and Gingrich.

    Neither of them can get to 1,144 delegates, but Romney can. This post only further proves that the GOP establishment wants Romney to win and this whole thing to end as soon as possible, Santorum be dammed.


    If we DO NOT have a majority, its better to create a unity slate of paul, santorum, and gingrich and shut romney out completely.
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    No hidden cam footage?

    Tube or it didn't happen........ scratch that - doesnt surprise me.
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    And yet the meme is that it is Paul and Romney who have an alliance, while this goes on behind the scenes, with ALL the establishment rallying EVERYON against the 'outsider' candidate, just as we have been saying, all along.
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    Surreal.

    It felt like I was reading some excerpt from a novel.

    At any rate excellent work. I'll be printing this and use it when needed.

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    Alas, the irony between this:
    A speaker rattled off a long list of mostly fabricated grievances against supporters of Ron Paul, calling us liars, backstabbers, and cheats. ....
    With every accusation flung at the Ron Paul crowd, there were exclamations of "Oh my..." and a synchronized shaking of old gray heads around the room.
    Ron Paul supporters send e-mails to each other coaching on how to pretend to be republicans, or how to pretend they go to church.
    Ron Paul supporters unnecessarily delay conventions with parliamentary tactics for upwards of 14 hours so that supporters of other candidates will leave.
    Ron Paul supporters make deals and promises, then back-stab everyone.
    Ron Paul supporters will NOT vote for anyone except Ron Paul.
    ...
    Some people spoke out against those mean old Ron Paul supporters.

    And this:
    Then, from the side of the room, an older gentleman who had his hand raised was called upon. To paraphrase, he said, "I'm a Ron Paul supporter, and frankly I'm disgusted by this whole thing." The primary organizer told him to leave, and everyone cheered as he was ejected.
    ....
    Then the meeting broke into groups, organized by legislative district, where delegates for the slate were selected among the participants.
    Of course, the whole situation reeks of irony; I expect it will not have been lost on the participants.

    I bet the same dirty feeling the OP left with was also felt by many in that room. Why? Because we're doing the right thing the right way for the right reasons, and they are not.
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    Is the only way to overcome these previously determined delegate slates with a majority vote? What's the best way to fight their tactics?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ATXRevolutionary View Post
    Is the only way to overcome these previously determined delegate slates with a majority vote? What's the best way to fight their tactics?
    No matter what tactic is included, there needs to also be a group of people infiltrating the organization and gaining positions of power without revealing their candidate.
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    This and booking venues too small for assemblies needs to be spread far and wide. We should start a collective tactics points list of findings from these corrupt meetings and get them to the responsible parties in each state asap. If you know what to expect before it hits, you can prepare for the storm.

    We own the internet and collaborating these speed bumps should be a non-issue.

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    +rep to you sir!

    I could never have sat through that in silence.
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    Quote Originally Posted by maxoutco View Post
    This and booking venues too small for assemblies needs to be spread far and wide. We should start a collective tactics points list of findings from these corrupt meetings and get them to the responsible parties in each state asap. If you know what to expect before it hits, you can prepare for the storm.

    We own the internet and collaborating these speed bumps should be a non-issue.
    and meanwhile, get there EARLY if they are shutting people out -- let them shut out their own people....
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    can someone remind me why we don't rund indy?

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    Doug Wead already picked you up, xeno!!!

    http://dougwead.wordpress.com/2012/0...mney-campaign/

    Drudge it so Santorum people see this and don't get plowed over by Romney's machine.
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    Doug Wead is the effing man. Has his ear to the grassroots and speaks truth.

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    So uh.. Are those "campaign organizers" really that ignorant who Ron Paul is, or do they really wish to live in a corrupt, military/prison state that badly?

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    A little of both Lishy
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    Oh, and here's an interesting post from the comments on Doug's blog (spelling not corrected):

    Tell the neighborhoods where these comi`s live, what their neighbors are doing to their country.Take off the Mask…Scarlet Letters for all….expose them to America…Post their pictures everywhere…have them arrested for Fraud.Tell their children what kind of parents they have..tell the schools,tell their churches. Take off the Mask,and the Cock Roaches will scatter into the dark.
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    That's an interesting tactic. If we are able to get lists of the attendees to these events, we can in turn clandestinely expose them for the frauds and charlatans they really are. I'm not saying we should or shouldn't obliterate the public image of some people, but a swift and decisive strike in one area could prevent these kind of shenanigans in the future. Just saying.

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    Great work friend! I also repped you.

    I for one, don't think this is coming only from Romney's campaign but from way up higher. Jeb Bush and his father, along with other establishment Republicans MUST be in on this. Karl Rove without a doubt.

    Today I heard what Rubio said in his endorsement for Romney. That those who are fighting to a brokered convention are working against the unity of the party.


    What? He wants all the others to drop out and for all of us to start supporting Romney right now to show unity to we can beat Obama.

    Yeah right! Like you showed us "unity"?

    Phone calls are being made and emails being sent as we speak in my opinion informing party chairs in every district how to identify and defeat Ron Paul and his supporters.

    I have no doubt about it

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lishy View Post
    So uh.. Are those "campaign organizers" really that ignorant who Ron Paul is, or do they really wish to live in a corrupt, military/prison state that badly?
    Well, if so George Orwell would have the paramount "told ya so!" moment:

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aratus View Post
    mitt is desperate
    Mitt would be desperate if Paul was winning half the states. Right now, his main rival is Santorum. This seems to be Washington GOP specific that needs to be dealt with.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Athan View Post
    Mitt would be desperate if Paul was winning half the states. Right now, his main rival is Santorum. This seems to be Washington GOP specific that needs to be dealt with.

    You must have missed the video from Missouri, where they talked about how they did it in several other states. Also, there's no reason for Newt to be in the race at all. His campaign is in debt, (no surprise), and he's 4th with no reason to believe he'll do any better. Based on everything I've seen, it's not a local Washington issue.
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    This has gone on Doug Weed's blog.... wow!

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    Quote Originally Posted by CTRattlesnake View Post
    Differences aside, its time to team up with Santorum and Gingrich.

    Neither of them can get to 1,144 delegates, but Romney can. This post only further proves that the GOP establishment wants Romney to win and this whole thing to end as soon as possible, Santorum be dammed.


    If we DO NOT have a majority, its better to create a unity slate of paul, santorum, and gingrich and shut romney out completely.
    This is very true and IMO precisely what needs to be done.

    Xenophage, much respect, +rep and thank you for your involvement. And your conclusion is spot on.

    Let's remember a simple fact here folks, the Party Bosses have chosen Willard Romney, but the Party Voters have not it's time we work mutually with the grassroots to shut him down and keep this race going all the way into the convention in Tampa.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CTRattlesnake View Post
    Differences aside, its time to team up with Santorum and Gingrich.

    Neither of them can get to 1,144 delegates, but Romney can. This post only further proves that the GOP establishment wants Romney to win and this whole thing to end as soon as possible, Santorum be dammed.


    If we DO NOT have a majority, its better to create a unity slate of paul, santorum, and gingrich and shut romney out completely.
    Or just Pual and Santorum and skip Gingrich. The trick in either case is to offer them more delegate slots than they would get working with Romney.

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