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    Things look pretty exciting in PA: http://www.votepa.us/

    December 21 2011 -- Judge Oliver J. "Stop The Exam" Lobaugh, who earlier this month dismissed the heroic Specially-Appointed Venango County Election Board in the middle of their landmark forensic exam of the ES&S iVotronic voting system, today denied their Motion For Reconsideration. In reality, Lobaugh had already run out the clock as he sat on the Motion until it was too late for the Specially-Appointed Election Board to finish their work even if they had been reinstated.

    This morning the County Commissioners held a public work session to discuss the unfinished forensic exam. Under the leadership of 2007-2011 Chair Tim Brooks they spoke with forensic examiners Kesden and Eckhardt via phone. Brooks, who was previously quoted in court filings as having screamed at an Election Board member that he did not want any forensic examination of the county's voting system, did most of the questioning. No member of the Specially-Appointed Venango County Election Board, the people who actually conducted the unfinished exam, was asked for input or even allowed to speak at all.

    Drs. Kesden and Eckhardt told the Commissioners in no uncertain terms about serious security problems found during their work with the forensic exam to date. These problems included illegal remote access of the central tabulating computer and other insecure processes including weak passwords, unsafe media being inserted into the computer, unneeded software on the tabulator, and more. The experts also discussed how limited their forensic exam was, given the time constraints, and how many things went uninvestigated.



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    Audio discussion in PA about securing the Central Tabulator (ES&S "Unity Server").
    http://www.votepa.us/Files/12-21-11V...ssnrsWkshp.mp3
    At least one person in this discussion is aware of the possibility of viruses infecting the Central Tabulator

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    Quote Originally Posted by RonRules View Post
    Things look pretty exciting in PA: http://www.votepa.us/

    December 21 2011 -- Judge Oliver J. "Stop The Exam" Lobaugh, who earlier this month dismissed the heroic Specially-Appointed Venango County Election Board in the middle of their landmark forensic exam of the ES&S iVotronic voting system, today denied their Motion For Reconsideration. In reality, Lobaugh had already run out the clock as he sat on the Motion until it was too late for the Specially-Appointed Election Board to finish their work even if they had been reinstated.

    This morning the County Commissioners held a public work session to discuss the unfinished forensic exam. Under the leadership of 2007-2011 Chair Tim Brooks they spoke with forensic examiners Kesden and Eckhardt via phone. Brooks, who was previously quoted in court filings as having screamed at an Election Board member that he did not want any forensic examination of the county's voting system, did most of the questioning. No member of the Specially-Appointed Venango County Election Board, the people who actually conducted the unfinished exam, was asked for input or even allowed to speak at all.

    Drs. Kesden and Eckhardt told the Commissioners in no uncertain terms about serious security problems found during their work with the forensic exam to date. These problems included illegal remote access of the central tabulating computer and other insecure processes including weak passwords, unsafe media being inserted into the computer, unneeded software on the tabulator, and more. The experts also discussed how limited their forensic exam was, given the time constraints, and how many things went uninvestigated.
    So then the question becomes, who paid Judge Lobaugh?

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    As expected, District of Coloumbia is a flipper too:



    Romney was way ahead, but because we're dealing with a rather crude algorithm he's still flipping up at about the same rate as elsewhere.

    It only served to make Ron Paul look much worse than he really should have been. ~15% instead of ~25%

    Anybody here from DC willing to do something about it?

    There are Congressional and Senatorial races in DC I want to check as well.

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    it is possible that the Romney vote is simply fabricated? But Paul votes are not?

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    Quote Originally Posted by BUSHLIED View Post
    it is possible that the Romney vote is simply fabricated? But Paul votes are not?
    The way the flipper avoids detection is it does not add votes to the total, but instead shifts them from one candidate to another. The vote totals are regularly canvassed to prevent ballot box stuffing. (That is, the roll book of who voted on election day is totaled up and has to match the number of ballots cast. And the number of ballots counted on election night has to match the number in the ballot boxes at the canvass time.)

    So, untampered vote data might be something like this:

    Romney 50,000 votes
    Paul 40,000 votes
    Santorum 35,000 votes
    Gingrich 30,000 votes
    Total votes cast = 155,000

    then, after the flipper has been at work:

    Romney 68,000 votes
    Santorum 31,000 votes
    Paul 30,000 votes
    Gingrich 26,000 votes
    Total votes cast = 155,000

    Notice how the vote totals are the same? They couldn't get past the security measures if they were different. And the theft is spread over many precincts to make it less noticeable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BUSHLIED View Post
    it is possible that the Romney vote is simply fabricated? But Paul votes are not?
    In the case of DC, 15% of Romney's vote was fabricated, in the sense that it was stolen from others. I'm more surprised that very few Ron Paul supporters are willing to do something about it.

    Some of you may not believe there is a problem. However you should be curious enough to show this to a statistician of some sort of a college professor. I found that political science professors are real happy to see this data. Imagine if we could get a dozen working on this at the same time and quickly publishing papers on the subject.

    With a proper scientific paper, you can then take that to the Secretary of State, the Attorney General's, etc

    We don't have much time. Please report in this thread if you've met with statisticians and what was their response.
    Last edited by RonRules; 04-15-2012 at 05:54 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RonRules View Post
    As expected, District of Coloumbia is a flipper too:



    Romney was way ahead, but because we're dealing with a rather crude algorithm he's still flipping up at about the same rate as elsewhere.

    It only served to make Ron Paul look much worse than he really should have been. ~15% instead of ~25%

    Anybody here from DC willing to do something about it?

    There are Congressional and Senatorial races in DC I want to check as well.
    That would tend to suggest the virus (or whatever) was there for some time before the voting, because the polls for a week or more going into DC had Romney way ahead.

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    Let's go see how the Democrats are doing in the District of Columbia in 2012.

    This is just to show you guys that these lines MUST be horizontal, when no election fraud is occurring.

    Here a District of Columbia race among Democrats and a Green.



    Total flat-line. Any questions?

    The Democrats are going to come out looking good here!

    Here's where I got the data from the DC website:
    http://www.voteresults.org/?STATE=DC

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    It's good to see the laws of large numbers still work occasionally

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