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    Rand Paul's Proposed Budget for 2013

    Just wondering. What do you guys think of Rand's budget proposal?

    http://thenewamerican.com/usnews/pol...udget-proposal

    hursday afternoon, Senator Rand Paul (R-Kentucky) tweeted a very important message to advocates of limited government.
    @SenRand Paul: Today, I unveiled my FY2013 budget proposal. My plan dramatically reduces spending and balances the budget in 5 years.
    Described by Paul as the “only budget proposal that balances within the Balanced Budget Amendment window,” Paul and his co-sponsors: Senators Jim DeMint of South Carolina and Mike Lee of Utah appeared at the U.S. Capitol to outline the specifics of his Fiscal Year 2013 budget bill which “would bring spending below historical average in the very first year.”

    After the press conference, Senator Paul released the following statement:

    Americans deserve not only to have the debt reduced, but to have every taxpayer dollar spent more wisely. While Washington continues to spend recklessly and ignore the ever-growing deficit, I am offering a plan that will address this country's looming debt crisis in a truly timely manner - balancing the budget in just five years. The time has come for a change that will restore fiscal order in this country, and I will do everything in my power to ensure that this happens.

    Co-sponsor Mike Lee (R-Utah) echoed his colleague’s comments in support of their suggestion spending blueprint:
    The biggest problem facing the nation right now is the out-of-control spending and borrowing. The Budget Control Act doesn't address the underlying problems, and it's been well over 1,000 days since Senate Democrats passed a budget. I stand behind anyone who is willing to confront this issue through a serious proposal that will put us on the path toward a balanced budget.

    The third of the bill’s principal proponents offered his defense of the measure. Senator DeMint (R-South Carolina) wrote:

    This balanced budget makes the commonsense decision that we've got to stop spending more than we're bringing in. Already, what was once considered unthinkable has occurred: the creditworthiness and economic outlook of the United States of America has been downgraded. This is more than a national embarrassment, it's an indication that the world is losing confidence in America's ability to pay our bills and of our government to change course. This budget shows we can stop the debt crisis, improve our economy, expand freedom, and secure the future for our children and grandchildren.

    The following are the broad strokes of the bill provided by Senator Paul’s office:

    SPENDING: This budget proposal significantly reduces spending relative to both the President's budget and the Congressional Budget Office (CBO) baseline. It also brings spending below the historical average of 19.6 percent of GDP in the first year, eventually reaching sustainable levels below historic revenues. Based on current CBO baseline, the budget would spend $8 trillion less over the next 10 years. The bill:

    Brings federal spending below historical average in very first year

    Reduces spending by nearly $11 trillion relative to the President's budget

    Achieves a $111 billion surplus in FY2017

    Remains in surplus after initial balance, pays off $2 trillion of national debt in 10-year window

    Includes entitlement reform for Medicare and Social Security

    Block-grants Medicaid, SCHIP, foods stamps, and child nutrition

    Preserves Social Security and fixes trust fund over 75 years

    Preserves Medicare by giving all seniors the same health care plan as Members of Congress

    Reduces most discretionary spending to FY2008 levels

    Defense: Eliminates FY2013 sequester cuts

    Freezes foreign aid spending at $5 billion per year

    Defunds duplicative or wasteful agencies and programs

    Sells off excess federal properties and land

    Eliminates the Davis-Bacon prevailing wages provisions

    Liquidates government ownership of "bailout" companies

    Eliminates unnecessary bureaucracy

    The bill eliminates:

    Department of Commerce
    Department of Education (preserves Pell grants)
    Department of Housing and Urban Development
    Department of Energy (transfers nuclear research and weapons to Department of Defense)

    It also:

    Privatizes Transportation Security Agency
    Repeals Obamacare and Dodd-Frank
    Opens Arctic National Wildlife Refuge for oil and gas exploration
    Permits the Keystone XL Pipeline project

    REVENUE: This budget provides a number of incentives to increase investment. By allowing Americans and businesses to keep more of their money, we will quicken the pace of deleveraging, allowing the economy to find its equilibrium, facilitating growth and employment.

    Tax Reform
    17 percent flat tax for individuals and corporations
    Pro-growth and globally competitive

    ENTITLEMENT REFORM: The Social Security reform proposal includes two main provisions: a gradual increase in the retirement age and progressive indexing. The budget also includes reform of Medicare through the Congressional Health Care for Seniors Act. This reform will provide seniors with better health care at a lower cost to the senior and to the taxpayers. Seniors will receive the same health insurance as their Members of Congress, at lower out-of-pocket cost.

    Social Security
    Increase the retirement age over time, protecting beneficiaries
    Progressive Indexing, slows the growth of benefits for high-income and increases benefits for low-income individuals

    Medicare
    Gives all seniors the same health care plan as Members of Congress

    REGULATIONS: This budget supports adoption of the REINS Act, which seeks to require all major regulations - that is, regulations with an economic impact of over $100 million - to be approved by an up-or-down Congressional vote before they can take effect. In requiring this, REINS allows Congress to re-assert its lawmaking authority over regulatory agencies to ensure that the agency has produced a rule that reflects what Congress intended:

    Apply regulatory analysis requirements to independent agencies

    Adopt the REINS (Regulations from the Executive in Need of Scrutiny) Act

    Sunset on regulations

    Regulatory process reform

    Incorporation of formal rulemaking [sic] for major rules

    Unremarkably, four of the executive branch departments placed on the Paul budget chopping block are on his father’s hit list, as well.

    In an interview with The New American while on the campaign trail in Idaho, GOP presidential candidate, Ron Paul targeted those same departments for elimination, as well the Department of the Interior.

    Representative Paul said that jettisoning this handful of federal departments alone would reduce the federal budget by about $179 billion.

    Apart from these four, Senator Paul identifies waste in several other federal agencies that would be trimmed under provisions of his new plan.

    For example, the Agriculture Research Service of the Department of Agriculture would be eliminated. Paul quotes a Cato Institute report claiming that “the USDA spends about $3billion annually on agricultural research, statistical information services, and economic studies.”

    Another point in common between Senator Paul’s proposal and his father’s stump speech is the call to reduce the American military footprint overseas. In his FY2013 budget, Senator Paul explains how defense spending can be accomplished without harming the military. The text of the budget reads:

    The ability to utilize our immense air and sea power, to be anywhere in the world in a relatively short amount of time, no longer justifies our expanded presence on the ground throughout the world. This budget would require the Department of Defense to begin realigning the over 750 confirmed military installations around the world. The department occupies a reported 300,658 buildings valued at over $575 billion and 187,000 structures valued at over $168 billion worldwide.

    This proposal is another valiant effort by Senator Paul to return the federal government to within the boundaries drawn for it in the Constitution. It is heartening to learn that such a proposal benefits from the support of all 47 Republican Senators.
    "Can't get healthcare to our old people, can't educate our young people, but we can bomb the sh*t out of your country alright" - George Carlin

    "We're in two wars that are costing us trillions of dollars. Those trillions of dollars should have been left in the economy to build jobs and produce prosperity here at home" - Ron Paul

    "We spend 1.5 trillion dollars overseas in wars we don't need to be in and we need to cut there. And then put that money back into our economy here." - Ron Paul



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    Well that certainly looks familiar.
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    Not a fan. Why balance a budget in 5 years? Why not now? In five years there will be all kinds of 'emergencies' that will mess up plans.

    Also, why isn't there a stronger emphasis on military cuts? That's a huge chunk of the budget.
    Defense: Eliminates FY2013 sequester cuts
    ??

    Isn't that going backwards by going forwards?

    Would have been nice to see more libertarian gestures...like cutting money to the bureau of prisons by releasing non-violent drug offenders.

    It's not mentioned directly..but implied that part of the deficit would be repaired though revenue growth...can never assume this with an economy! Hope for the best...prepare for the worst.

    The overtures to the keystone pipeline and ANWR drilling are simplistic and disturbing. The issue with the keystone pipeline is it is super anti-property rights. It's the US letting Canada use our eminent domain laws so they send their dirty oil shale to ports in Texas and to European markets. Property owners are outraged the US is confiscating their lands for Canadian oil company profits. Also these pipes will leak (all oil pipes do constantly) and this represents a serious issue for those located between NW Canada and the Gulf of Mexico. Not to mention how much ground-water pollution oil-shale drilling in Alberta causes...

    ANWR is multiple issues. The economic one is that we can't be giving away our economic assets to oil companies at below market rates and uncompetitive bids...the US government has lost a lot of money from sham oil-leases in the gulf and they can't make the same mistake. Plus this oil would be sent to Asia and China...not the US.

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    Are you also bit a fan of his fathers plan? There may be some GOP red meat but it's impossible not to see the inspiration there.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rpwi View Post
    Not a fan. Why balance a budget in 5 years? Why not now? In five years there will be all kinds of 'emergencies' that will mess up plans.
    Even Ron's plan doesn't balance the budget for 3 years, and Rand's looks like it would have bigger surpluses ($111 billion in 2017).

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    I think the key thing is the structural changes to defense....once those are made the spending cuts can be more easily justifiable to the GOP.

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    Quote Originally Posted by anewvoice View Post
    Are you also bit a fan of his fathers plan? There may be some GOP red meat but it's impossible not to see the inspiration there.
    No... LOL...and have voiced my displeasure in Matt Collins' thread about Ron's budget a while ago.

    http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthr...ca-Now-quot-**

    Ron doesn't want to get rid of the ag department?? Too much campaigning in Iowa Also don't like that Ron is waiting three years to balance the budget and he depends on revenue growths while severely cutting taxes...wish politicians wouldn't do this
    Last edited by rpwi; 03-26-2012 at 05:01 PM.



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    It'll never pass because it ACTUALLY cuts government spending/power, and the people behind the scenes who run everything don't like that very much.



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