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    HOT: Gold Bar Discovered Filled with Tungsten

    HOT: Gold Bar Discovered Filled with Tungsten




    Australian bullion dealer ABC Bullion is reporting that one of its suppliers has provided them photographic evidence of a tungsten filled 1 kilo gold bar,. The bar passed a hand-held xrf scan which showed 99.98% pure AU. The tungsten was only discovered when the bar was physically cut in half.

    After numerous reports of 400oz tungsten filled bars being discovered in Hong Kong, this is the first documented and verified report with photographic evidence that has been made public, states
    Silver Doctors. ABC Bullion is a major player in the gold bar business and thus this report should be taken seriously.

    Here's the reports from ABC:


    Attached are photographs of a legitimate Metalor 1000gm Au bar that has been drilled out and filled with Tungsten (W).

    This bar was purchased by staff of a scrap dealer in xxxxx, UK yesterday. The bar appeared to be perfect other than the fact that it was 2gms underweight. It was checked by hand-held xrf and showed 99.98% Au. Being Tungsten, it would not be ferro-magnetic. The bar was supplied with the original certificate.


    The owner of the business that purchased the bar only became suspicious when he realized the weight discrepancy and had the bar cropped. He estimates between 30-40% of the weight of the bar to be Tungsten.

    This is very worrying and reinforces the lengths that people are willing to go to profit from the current high metal prices. Please be careful.



    Note, ABC is not insinuating that this tungsten discovery is part of some grand scheme. They are noting that it is very profitable to try and get away with slipping tungsten in the core of gold bars. At the same time, though, there have been rumors for a long-time that Fort Knox gold may be salted. Here's Silver Doctor on a Rob Kirby 2009 report on the manufacture of tungsten blanks and Fort Knox:

    Now that we have confirmed documentation that 1 kilo gold bars have been drilled out and filled with tungsten, look for a rapid scramble to verify the AU contents of 400oz bars which reportedly have also been tainted with tungsten (the market is 'stuffed full' of gold plated tungsten 400oz bars according to Rob Kirby).


    For those unfamiliar with the original reports that 60 metric tonnes of 400oz 'good delivery' bars were gutted and filled with tungsten, and swapped with US Treasury gold at Fort Knox in a highly sophisticated plan, an excerpt of his 2009 piece is included below:


    The amount of “salted tungsten” gold bars in question was allegedly between 5,600 and 5,700 – 400 oz – good delivery bars [roughly 60 metric tonnes].

    This was apparently all highly orchestrated by an extremely well financed criminal operation.
    Within mere hours of this scam being identified – Chinese officials had many of the perpetrators in custody. And here’s what the Chinese allegedly uncovered:

    Roughly 15 years ago – during the Clinton Administration [think Robert Rubin, Sir Alan Greenspan and Lawrence Summers] – between 1.3 and 1.5 million 400 oz tungsten blanks were allegedly manufactured by a very high-end, sophisticated refiner in the USA [more than 16 Thousand metric tonnes]. Subsequently, 640,000 of these tungsten blanks received their gold plating and WERE shipped to Ft. Knox and remain there to this day. I know folks who have copies of the original shipping docs with dates and exact weights of “tungsten” bars shipped to Ft. Knox.


    The balance of this 1.3 million – 1.5 million 400 oz tungsten cache was also plated and then allegedly “sold” into the international market.

    Apparently, the global market is literally “stuffed full of 400 oz salted bars”.


    Makes one wonder if the Indians were smart enough to assay their 200 tonne haul from the IMF?


    Bottom line: Ron Paul has a very good reason to want an audit of Fort Knox gold. Let's see if there is any validity to these rumors.



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    This is 4 or 5 years old isn't it?

    Haven't seen any follow-up though.
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    IIRC there has also been some photos showing 100 oz silver bars which had been hollowed out and refilled as well.

    Lucky for me I'm not rich enough to afford such things
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    Can you imagine what would happen if it were proven that there's no gold in Ft. Knox?

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    Quote Originally Posted by 40oz View Post
    Can you imagine what would happen if it were proven that there's no gold in Ft. Knox?
    Ron has been trying to do that for many years.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 40oz View Post
    Can you imagine what would happen if it were proven that there's no gold in Ft. Knox?
    There would be a perfectly good and acceptable explanation, der der Amurika f*#k yeah!

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    Zerohedge did an article on this.

    It looks like a lot of the 400oz bars were systemically tungsten filled, with western central banks as potentially guilty.

    If it is in fact a far reaching fraud...gold is going to spike in an epic manner, when it is exposed.



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    Coins should be safe from this fraud, right?

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    Quote Originally Posted by lib3rtarian View Post
    Coins should be safe from this fraud, right?
    Coins are safer from this, but not completely. Smaller units require more work for the ROT (Return On Theft), so it makes less sense economically to fake smaller units if larger units are affordable. Also, if the total profit is larger, the counterfeiter can afford to do a better job. This means that fakes of smaller units are likely to be of less quality and thus easier to detect.

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    The tungsten filled ones are almost always the 400oz mega bars and Kilos.

    If you are stacking American Gold Eagles, Canadian maples, Philharmmonics, Kruggerands and reknown refiners such as Englehart, Johnson Mathey, Aramark....you'll be fine.

    Quote Originally Posted by lib3rtarian View Post
    Coins should be safe from this fraud, right?

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    That gold was "inflated" with tungsten to remain more competitive with modern
    un-Constitutional "paper" fiat money.

    Next, re-purpose used colbalt-60 medical oncology treatment needles / seeds. They can
    be melted down, producing easy-to-find radioactive gold... (Thugs will use Geiger counters
    to hunt down unsuspecting prostate cancer survivors, "harvest it" and then store it in a
    lead-lined safe). It might be therapeutic and real cool to own/wear some "hot" gold.

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    I like how the author managed to take a story about a fake gold bar found at a pawn shop in Australia and make it all about Fort Knox.

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    Brad Meltzer's Decoded had a pretty interesting show on Ft Knox. General consensus is that it's been empty for years.
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    Quote Originally Posted by lib3rtarian View Post
    Coins should be safe from this fraud, right?
    About 11 years ago, I paid around $20 for a fake Kruggerand . Wt. was right and it looked very good , most people would not be able to tell .I have no idea where it was made or how many may be out there. I kept it for awhile and gave it to my Leadman once to get him to work some overtime for me . Somewhere , there should be some fake Mercury dimes , made by the Russians in WW 2 . For the most part , American silver coins should be safe . I would be suspicious of foreign gold coins and any foreign bars.
    Last edited by oyarde; 03-25-2012 at 11:40 AM.



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    the higher g/s goes the more fakes there will be.

    thats why i have always said junk ( pre 1965 ) 90% silver was the best and only way to buy silver coins. the junker the better as it very hard to fake junk coins , esp dimes or quarters.

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    I can see why they use tungsten......extremely close in density.

    However, there is a large difference in melting temperature, so they should be easy to separate.
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