My Neighbors Just Ate their Dog (Seriously). What is the libertarian stance on this?

[SkyPie]

Thats sick, in my view.
But then again, im a animal rights defender, so...

I accept that some animals die in order to feed the human, but a dog is a domestic animal, they will defend you with all their heart, they are really the man best friend, and you kill it like that? Sorry, but i would probably give a roundhouse kick to that subject.

Animals do not and cannot have Constitutional rights. We don't torture animals because it would corrupt our own morality. Even the word humane pertains to human beings.

Dogs aren't nearly as domesticated as you might think. Left to their own devices they quickly form packs where they can and have taken down lamas and deer. And who's unaware of dogs mauling human beings, the Golden Retriever/Labrador mix that just last month dismembered a two month old baby, or so many other vicious attacks?

Take note of your inclination to inflict pain on your fellow man with a "roundhouse kick" but not a dog that might rip the face off a defenseless child. The dog was used as food. Sustenance for human beings. What you suggest is law based purely on sentiment and not logic.

There is no way to live on this planet without killing other life forms. No way. All creatures do what they must in order to ensure their own survival. Animals are killed, maimed, and displaced by vegan diet. Imagine how many would be negatively effected were we all vegans. Think of the detrimental effect of faux fur that takes years and years to decompose. I find it so ironic that many of the same people who push for environmental issues and no meat eating are the same people who strenuously promote (with their mouths) the use of synthetics over natural materials including food.

[SkyPie]

This is what local ordinances are for. Even state laws can get involved to a degree. This isn't the place for federal laws however.

States have no more right to oppress the people than does the federal government. The Fourteenth Amendment applied the Bill of Rights to the states. Animals are and must remain property no matter what the state of Washington and such says.

[Exiled_LFOD]

You CONCLUDED that I am a commie and a tyrant, and you went so far as to change my quote so that it aligned with your conclusion. That is a deceptive practice, and if that is the kind of philosophy you ascribe to try and win an argument, then the debate is over. In the meantime, you need to learn the difference between, socialism, communism, and a republic. Tying them all together as if they are the same thing shows a serious lack of knowledge. What you are describing is tyranny, and it doesn't go hand in hand with a republic, what a ridiculous assumption on your part.

When it is said democrats and republicans are two sides of the same statist coin they cheer.

When it is said theocracy, democracy, facism, socialism, communism, and republicanism are six sides of the same monopoly of force box they boo.

[Sam I am]

I am going to change your post in an attempt to make it less disturbing. Tell me if it works

So I live in Guam for another week and woke up this morning to a horrible sound coming from my Chuukese neighbors' yard. Went outside to check it out and saw that one of our neighbors had strung their cow up by some cable so that it was hanging from the tree and choking to death. I yelled at him to quit and get the cow down. Which he started to do but I didn't think the cow was going to make it so I ran inside to get a knife to cut it down. By the time I returned he was carrying the cow (still moving and making horrible sounds to the other side of the house). I climbed over the wall and grabbed their other calf and took it back to my house. By this time other cow[/b] was no where to be seen and had quit making sounds and the neighbor had driven off.

I called the police (I know but there is not a peta or livestock-abuse enforcement agency out here) and filed a complaint. This was the last remaining cow of the original three that neighbors had gotten about a year ago who mysteriously disappeared as well. After waiting an hour and filing a police report, the police officer basically said they weren't going to do anything and that I could file a complaint, but they were still not going to do anything even then. The head of the household came back and talked with the police and I was told to return the calf because it belonged to him, and the other cow strung up on the tree belonged to his brother who was doing the hanging.

cow eating is common and accepted on the island of Chuuk. But this not Chuuk. Guam has horrible animal protection laws and even worse enforcement and apparently even the lawmakers and enforcement are unsure of the legality of eating your own cow.

What is the libertarian stance on eating your own cow on your own property? Even if you accept the cultural differences of eating cow, isn't hanging the cow from a tree and beating it to death with a stick (the Chuukese custom) animal cruelty? dogs are put down more humanely than that.

Is there anything else I should have done? Can't help but think that I should have just grabbed both cows and got them to the animal shelter, but it sounds like legally I would have been in the wrong and I would have to worry about protecting my wife and newborn from reprisal as well as dealing with any legal repercussions while trying to get the hell out of here. Not something I had ever thought about or was ready to deal early Saturday morning.

As I am writing this, they are having a beef barbecue and my wife and I are eagerly packing to leave the island and get back to the states next week.

[SkyPie]

Ordinances are passed by elected officials representing their community- the definition of a republic. If the community doesn't want the ordinance passed, they get involved and pressure their elected officials to vote against it. Likewise, if the community wants the ordinance passed, they pressure their representatives into passing it. Because it doesn't always work that way is not a testament to the failure of the system, it's a testament to the failure of the community to care enough to get involved.

And "unanimous consent" is a pipe dream. Where you have differing, independent thinking, you will always have discourse. Hence the beauty of a republic.

No ordinance should be passed if it violates an individual's rights. The Fourteenth Amendment assures the states are held to the Bill of Rights. Animals are and must remain property. You cannot tell people what they can and cannot do with their own property. It happens but it is unconstitutional. Laws need to be based on logic not sentiment.

The A.S.P.C.A., S.P.C.A., Humane Society of the Untied States and their lapdog groups like the Texas Humane Legislative Network are gestapo organizations that kick down people's doors and seize their property that they then destroy or sell for profit. They have lobbied for the right to an appeal be taken away, which in Texas it was. We are talking about complete disregard for the Fourth Amendment. Rick Perry signed HB 1451 into law last June. It requires dog and cat breeders to apply for permits which they can't get without passing a background check on themselves and anyone who comes into contact with their animals. They are FORCED to submit to unannounced inspections of any property that is known or suspected to contain animals or documents relating to the animals. The owner is allowed to be present but is not required to be present. - Do you understand that this means "animal rights" fanatics who disagree with all animal use can show up and confiscate their property anytime they want even if the owner isn't there? "Violations" such as matted hair or a 'hot spot' (licking granuloma), cataracts, etc. would be an automatic animal cruelty charge. I think three violations eliminates them from being allowed to obtain a permit or own animals. They will be forced to take their animals to a veterinarian at least once per year. - You don't have to take children to a doctor once per year! - They must maintain a written veterinarian prescribed health care plan and document every little ailment from a bug bite to holding up a paw for a day to major illness. Never mind that most vets have never once bred and whelped a litter of puppies and most know little to nothing about specific breeds. Nevermind that vets want a monopoly on pet care and this is a cash cow for them. Minimum U.S.D.A. requirements must be met and they're pushing for strengthening them. Flooring must be able to be washed down. Do you know anyone with a drain in their living room?

"Animal rights" agenda is truly frightening and more and more well-meaning but clueless people are jumping on board. There is no reasoning, no understanding of animal husbandry, no regard for Constitutionally guaranteed rights, and it's all being presented as 'you have to do these things but we don't!'

Google 20/20 Cruelty to Pet Owners and read all three pages. Never ever donate money to any "animal rights" or shelter type operation. To do so is in complete contradiction to everything purported to be good, and right, and free.

Again, we don't torture animals but they do not have rights. - And torture isn't choosing to allow a dog or cat to live and die naturally. Anything an animal gets from us is a benefit they wouldn't receive in the wild.

[MelissaWV]

I can tell you have a better point than anyone else, because your post is bold and in color and in a larger font.

[patriot2008]

Hey Humans, leave those kids alone!

I guess these are just nice and tender ones?

[pcosmar]

Never ever donate money to any "animal rights" or shelter type operation. To do so is in complete contradiction to everything purported to be good, and right, and free.

While I disagree with "Animal Rights" I do support groups that care for animals. I have worked with rescues and have worked with "Friends of Animals".

This is something that each must decide for themselves. I care for and appreciate my pets. They are a part of my family.
I have no right to tell my neighbors how to care for theirs though.