Is the main purpose of the income tax to hide the Federal Reserve?

[Black Flag]

So what is the End Game?

What economic system exists where people are forced to work by demand, not desire and you get want you need, not want you want?

[Brian in Maryland]

10 Planks of The Communist Manifesto-Karl Marx 1848
http://www.libertyzone.com/Communist...to-Planks.html

2. A heavy progressive or graduated income tax.
Americans know this as misapplication of the 16th Amendment of the U.S. Constitution, 1913, The Social Security Act of 1936.; Joint House Resolution 192 of 1933; and various State "income" taxes. We call it "paying your fair share".

5. Centralization of credit in the hands of the state, by means of a national bank with State capital and an exclusive monopoly.
Americans call it the Federal Reserve which is a privately-owned credit/debt system allowed by the Federal Reserve act of 1913. All local banks are members of the Fed system, and are regulated by the Federal Deposit Insurance Corporation (FDIC) another privately-owned corporation. The Federal Reserve Banks issue Fiat Paper Money and practice economically destructive fractional reserve banking.

[Black Flag]

10 Planks of The Communist Manifesto-Karl Marx 1848
http://www.libertyzone.com/Communist...to-Planks.html

3. Abolition of all rights of inheritance. (inheritance tax)

6. Centralization of the means of communication and transport in the hands of the state. (FCC, Dept. Highways)

7. Extension of factories and instruments of production owned by the state; the bringing into cultivation of waste lands, and the improvement of the soil generally in accordance with a common plan. (National Park system)

10. Free education for all children in public schools. Abolition of children's factory labor in its present form. Combination of education with industrial production, etc. (Public School system)

Exactly the End Game.

[onlyrp]

3. Abolition of all rights of inheritance. (inheritance tax)

6. Centralization of the means of communication and transport in the hands of the state. (FCC, Dept. Highways)

7. Extension of factories and instruments of production owned by the state; the bringing into cultivation of waste lands, and the improvement of the soil generally in accordance with a common plan. (National Park system)

10. Free education for all children in public schools. Abolition of children's factory labor in its present form. Combination of education with industrial production, etc. (Public School system)

Exactly the End Game.

Ok, if the goals are so evil.

Then it must be great to encourage inheritance (aka not working). Countries without a systematic transportation organization must be better to live in. What factories are currently owned by the state? Do you know anybody whose private property or industrial interests are affected by National Park system?

College debt must be a good thing, if "free education" is so evil. If combination of education with production is evil, then schools which teach useless and worthless knowledge must be great! (So by anti-Marx standards, the current college system is great, because it's overpriced, not free, and do not teach people to be industrially productive)

[anaconda]

Where is the Federal Reserve in this process? Nowhere- they do not take part.

But the Fed can also buy initial treasury bond issues. I assume this is the "monetizing debt" that Ron Paul is always talking about? Known as "seignorage." Traditionally this has been a very small percentage of revenue.

[Domalais]

But the Fed can also buy initial treasury bond issues. I assume this is the "monetizing debt" that Ron Paul is always talking about? Known as "seignorage." Traditionally this has been a very small percentage of revenue.

Seigniorage is something different. It is the profit that the issuer of a currency makes. For example, a quarter costs something like five cents to make. The mint sells it for $0.25 (or more).

[thetruthhurtsthefed]

To this day, I still haven't figured out why RP doesn't win every contest in a landslide based solely on the fact that he wants to eliminate the income tax and replace it with nothing. Seriously, who are all the fucking idiots that don't want to keep their money?


"Hello sir. Would you like to keep your money, or would you prefer that I take it?"

"I'd prefer you take it, please."


Somebody please help me understand this. It keeps me up at night.

AMEN!!!! This is how I found Ron Paul back in 07! I was searching for government official who want to end income tax. Surely everyone in their right mind doesn't want to pay income tax. I can see the baby boomers and their parents who were brainwashed, but aside from that?????

[Black Flag]

Ok, if the goals are so evil.

Then it must be great to encourage inheritance (aka not working).

If those that inherit do not work, they will not long have the benefit of that inheritance.

Countries without a systematic transportation organization must be better to live in.

To believe that without income tax, transportation could not exist means you have not taken much in history lessons.

What factories are currently owned by the state? Do you know anybody whose private property or industrial interests are affected by National Park system?

Yes.

College debt must be a good thing, if "free education" is so evil.

If you believe education comes to you for free, you definitely need an education.

If combination of education with production is evil, then schools which teach useless and worthless knowledge must be great! (So by anti-Marx standards, the current college system is great, because it's overpriced, not free, and do not teach people to be industrially productive)

To believe you need the government to teach you, you must be astonished that anyone survived pre-1800.

Yet, I can surmise you have not read Jefferson et al and their letters. If you could only write or speak half as well.....

[Black Flag]

But the Fed can also buy initial treasury bond issues. I assume this is the "monetizing debt" that Ron Paul is always talking about?

Yes.

[onlyrp]

If those that inherit do not work, they will not long have the benefit of that inheritance.

you automatically assume inheritance is never enough to live on

To believe that without income tax, transportation could not exist means you have not taken much in history lessons.

LOL. I never said income tax is required for transportation, learn to read before asking somebody to take history lessons. You're the one claiming that either the goal of income tax or federal reserve is a central transporation system or that having a centralized means of communication and transportation is a bad thing.

Yes.

Specific example please

If you believe education comes to you for free, you definitely need an education.

Never said that. Keep putting words in my mouth if it makes you feel better.

To believe you need the government to teach you, you must be astonished that anyone survived pre-1800.

Quite the opposite. I still believe we can survive on a pre-1800 lifestyle, many here will disagree with me.

Yet, I can surmise you have not read Jefferson et al and their letters. If you could only write or speak half as well.....

I don't need to read Jefferson to know people can live quite well on a pre-industrialization lifestyle, which is why I NEVER EVER complain about "poverty" in today's world. See what happens when you make assumptions?