Obama Executive ‘Order’: US can seize any person, any resource, any time

[Darguth]

If you haven't actually read from the order, and only read articles about the order, than shame on you.


here's a link to the text of the order http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2012/...-any-time.html

Also, read the E.O. it is replacing: http://www.archives.gov/federal-regi.../pdf/12919.pdf

It is almost word-for-word the same exact a couple of sections that are just a reiteration of existing US Code and the re-delegation of authorities from the head of FEMA to the head of DHS.

[Darguth]

As i was reading it I noticed this as well. It seemed like everything I read was just delegation of power rather than actual new rules. There were several parts that actually delegated certain powers to departments of the executive branch and took those powers away from the president himself (although I'm sure he has enough influence to still get what he wants).

Well it is all Presidential authority that is being delegated. He could, of course, revoke any of that delegated at any time and assume it solely for himself again.

[phill4paul]

Umm, you're dangerously confusing the Supreme Court with the right to bear arms... The former is how you're supposed to combat unconstitutional laws, not to use force like they are... I mean, there's a difference between non-violent civil disobedience against unjust/unconstitutional laws, but the constitution does not protect you to use force, or even threat of violence against the state. You will be (somewhate jsutifiably) labeled as an extremist, and will only give them more ammo to continue to treat us all that way.

Be better than the people we're trying to beat... Don't think that just because you have a right to bear arms that you somehow have a right to use it against parties who are following the laws on the books (in other words, it's the unjust/unconstitutional laws, not the enforcers that need to be dealt with, and you're only emboldening the latter by combatting them rather than the law).

" But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security."

[wrestlingwes_8]

I saw people making the argument that before this new executive order was signed by Obama, FEMA would have had almost total control if a National Emergency was declared. They claim that this eliminates FEMA from the equation and places in the "correct" chain of command. Would any of the legal minds out there care to weigh in on this? Any truth to this or is this another blatant power grab?

[Anti Federalist]

Umm, you're dangerously confusing the Supreme Court with the right to bear arms... The former is how you're supposed to combat unconstitutional laws, not to use force like they are... I mean, there's a difference between non-violent civil disobedience against unjust/unconstitutional laws, but the constitution does not protect you to use force, or even threat of violence against the state. You will be (somewhate jsutifiably) labeled as an extremist, and will only give them more ammo to continue to treat us all that way.

Be better than the people we're trying to beat... Don't think that just because you have a right to bear arms that you somehow have a right to use it against parties who are following the laws on the books (in other words, it's the unjust/unconstitutional laws, not the enforcers that need to be dealt with, and you're only emboldening the latter by combatting them rather than the law).

Wow, I was going to jump all over that.

said the SS to the Jew.

My 2nd Amendment right is completely founded on me being able to resist unconstitutional and unjust laws tried to be enforced upon me. Exactly why do you think our founding fathers ensured our right to bear arms could not be taken away by the government?

Yeah, the bit that protects your right to over through unjust government is not part of the government. Its not even a right, its a duty to overthrow unjust government, or so says the Declaration of independence.

" But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security."

Then I see that it was already done, quite ably.

The refuseniks that were marched off death in the gulag, were marched off legally.

So were the "undesirables" marched off to Dachau and Bergen-Belsen.

[WilliamC]

Whos buying the guns and ammo?... This thing is deeper than it is healthy to delve.

The more people doing so the better for all of us.

UNIVERSAL Mandatory Armament. It's not just a good idea, it's the LAW!

Only slightly sarcastic too.

[Lothario]

Whos buying the guns and ammo?... This thing is deeper than it is healthy to delve.

We might as well start preparing our rendezvous location as well, and plan our next step after the internet is shut down and we lose communication...seriously.

[pcosmar]

We might as well start preparing our rendezvous location as well, and plan our next step after the internet is shut down and we lose communication...seriously.

if you are in my woods,, the animals will tell me you're there.