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    Stop resisting! Stop resisting!

    Seems the assholes who called the cops were the neighbors, who heard all the commotion.



    Family Claims Police Brutality in Coon Rapids Medical Emergency

    http://www.myfoxtwincities.com/dpp/n...#ixzz1pOo20CSJ

    COON RAPIDS, Minn. - A metro family is accusing Coon Rapids police officers of using excessive force on a man who was suffering a medical emergency after returning home from his mother's funeral, but they aren't looking for money -- just an apology for how he was treated.

    The victim in this case needed medical attention for a heart condition, but instead he found himself being subdued by four officers.

    Paramedics got to the scene first, but when neighbors called police fearing the commotion was a domestic argument, everything changed.

    "When they see their dad laying down, not responding -- yes, they were screaming," said Bassam Ayoub, who was restrained by police.

    Ayoub, who had open-heart surgery a number of years ago, needed medical attention for a heart condition combined with the overwhelming emotions of attending his mother's funeral had him feeling faint without his nitroglycerin pills on hand.

    Ayoud's son told FOX 9 News his father was having a seizure, with his eyes rolling back into his head, when police went on the offensive.

    "I was shaking to the extent -- I got so much power -- the dude can't even put my arm behind my back," Ayoub said.

    Since he was in the middle of a seizure, he couldn't control his limbs -- and that led to a tragic misunderstanding that was hard to overcome. The more he appeared to resist, the more police tried to restrain him while family members got more and more upset.

    "The cops are pushing his face down into the ground while his eyes are rolling back, and I'm standing there watching them, watching them hold him down," said Hanna Ayoud, the victim's daughter.

    Ayoub says he has marks from handcuffs and bruises from being held down by at least four officers, and those facts are consistent with the police reports. He has since filed a complaint and was interviewed by Coon Rapids police, telling them he just wants an apology for how he was treated.

    "Police are really at a disadvantage going into someone's home," said Neil Melton, executive director of Peace Officer Standards and Training.

    Melton is in charge of the state agency that licenses officers. He says that while officers can train for situations like this, only experience can prepare them for the balancing act.

    "It doesn't always work according to the script, and some people refuse to calm down," Melton said.

    (So, if cops show up and you're having an uncontrolled seizure, you better snap out that diabetic coma or heart problem quickly and obey the officer's commands. - AF)

    Yet, police say the situation was only made worse by the number of family members who refused to listen to their commands. The family insists they were just trying to give officers the information they needed to stop restraining Ayoub.

    "When someone's having a seizure, you're not supposed to hold them down," said Bassam Ayoud, the victim's son. "That's what was happening. His arms were flailing because he was having a seizure."
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    but they aren't looking for money -- just an apology for how he was treated.
    They need to sue, and Sue BIG.

    Make it entirely TOO damn expensive to keep these thugs employed.

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    lol they'd just suck the payoff money out of the taxpayers anyway.

    crappy story though. maybe they were having training flashbacks?
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    Quote Originally Posted by noneedtoaggress View Post
    lol they'd just suck the payoff money out of the taxpayers anyway.

    crappy story though. maybe they were having training flashbacks?
    SOP.

    Seen this a bunch of times.

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    Sigh...I was a deputy in that county. Lot's of good people at heart in that department, but as we all know you simply cannot do that job as it stands today, good though you may be at heart, without ending up like these guys.

    I wish we would wake up.

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    I'm all against new laws but personally wouldn't not mind a 'Nosy Neighbour' law which puts all culpability on a bud-in-ski.

    Perhaps just a service that much like the 'no phone' laws can be filed with the police force that prohibits them to come knocking unless you are the one initiating the call?
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    Quote Originally Posted by noneedtoaggress View Post
    lol they'd just suck the payoff money out of the taxpayers anyway.

    crappy story though. maybe they were having training flashbacks?
    Yes they would.
    And the taxpayers need to pay it. IT IS THEIR FAULT.

    When it gets TOO Expensive the taxpayers will REFUSE to pay it and Fire the whole bunch.

    They need to sue then into non existence.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RiseAgainst View Post
    Sigh...I was a deputy in that county. Lot's of good people at heart in that department, but as we all know you simply cannot do that job as it stands today, good though you may be at heart, without ending up like these guys.

    I wish we would wake up.
    wow, that's a crazy coincidence (or maybe it's just an inevitability). good for you for following the truth, though. mad props.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RiseAgainst View Post
    Sigh...I was a deputy in that county. Lot's of good people at heart in that department, but as we all know you simply cannot do that job as it stands today, good though you may be at heart, without ending up like these guys.

    I wish we would wake up.
    They are hiring idiots and people with serious problems now. I started to see it in my department back in 2006. The craziness is nationwide now.

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    Where were the EMT's/Paramedics in all of this? If it's a medical emergency, as was originally called, considering EMS was first on scene the cops should obey their authority.

    Why did EMS not stand up for their patient? This did not have to even happen. If it was my patient, and it was one of my calls, it wouldn't have happened. Sometimes you have to remind cops that they have no medical authority and piss-poor medical training.

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