Free Community Project

[helmuth_hubener]

People trying local liberty movements should certainly look to Grafton as the model as it is is probably 10 times or even more effective than any of the other local liberty projects happening right now/recently (such as the 2 in Texas and the county in WY.)

I agree. Everyone should agree. Grafton should be a top contender for a geographical concentration strategy.

With a few dozen, they would win most office elections and political voters.

As far as 2 votes making a difference, and 36 enabling most elections to be victories for liberty, I don't know. Grafton is a township of about 1,340 (in a county of 89,118). I suppose it depends how ambitious one's liberty goals are. Mine are pretty ambitious.

[Pericles]

I agree. Everyone should agree. Grafton should be a top contender for a geographical concentration strategy.



As far as 2 votes making a difference, and 36 enabling most elections to be victories for liberty, I don't know. Grafton is a township of about 1,340 (in a county of 89,118). I suppose it depends how ambitious one's liberty goals are. Mine are pretty ambitious.

My thinking is that one can target the town, county, or state level. My opinion is that going for the highest level you can control is the best option. I went for the county level for this reason. I have a target that I think I can hit. A town is better than no success at all, but depending on the state, a great deal of political power may be at the county level.

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My thinking is that one can target the town, county, or state level. My opinion is that going for the highest level you can control is the best option. I went for the county level for this reason. I have a target that I think I can hit. A town is better than no success at all, but depending on the state, a great deal of political power may be at the county level.

This "works" if you fight to establish it AND fight to preserve it, and I have every confidence that YOU/YOURS can do both.

But it remains emotionally convenient for me to believe that X percent of the Three Percent GET that this is a ridiculously unfair fight, and MORE SO for the often cited/celebrated/exploited/abused/blamed WOMEN AND CHILDREN.

NOT to say that developments such as yours ought NOT develop, on the contrary. The more the merrier, as soon as possible.

Other MODELS must be also be developed, or the idea of what boils down to TAKING A HIT in order to work our way honorably back to Moral Authority in a craaaazy world will NOT appeal to the Usual Softies.

An OUTHOUSE . . . since the SEVENTIES . . . waiting for the very calamity y'all are talking about? That's not gonna work for me. I realize yours in not slated to be rough-hewn, but the problem remains: EVERY MAN FOR HIMSELF bodes ill for lotsa not-men AND not-manly. NOTHING radical (Establishment-bucking) becomes normalized until the Home Depot people are "easy" about it (or clamoring for it).

Separately, I realize that much as I resent it, barring all-out revolution, the Transformation occurs in what tolerant people call Baby Steps. But if the steps are too small and too few, your Sheriff and right on up thru your Official County Friendlies cannot prevail against the infamous Feds...I'm talking about if push would come to shove.

I mention it (because Western Civilization is collapsing before my eyes and) because, if any of this were funny, it would have been laughable to hear career-politician Chuck Schumer pontificate on the NECESSITY of States being "supervised" by Feds.

It is not MY immediate problem, tho it certainly affects me big-picture, but I get a sense that many plans afoot have a lengthy implementation that assumes there are no moving parts.

I already gave up flying. WHAT NEXT, trains and roads...in order to NOT BE AFRAID...in my own country...with cause, for no reason?

They CLEARLY pick on the Less Burly more than they pick on the Burly. It is REALLY getting rugged out here for Solo Gurlz (including for attached wives/daughters/sisters when they roll alone). When I started this-whatever-this-is, I really really liked driving in the middle of the night. How many things do I really really like anymore? Really really few.

STRIP SEARCHES ON ANY ARREST, on (any manufactured) "probable" cause? Maybe I WON'T do that...not because it is illegal, but because it EXPOSES me to greater personal risk...for no good reason, to boot. Maybe I won't go THERE, THEN.

They hide in the friggin' bushes, for cryin' out loud. It cannot have escaped notice that HER WORD AGAINST HIS is already a hot potato. HER WORD AGAINST THE COP'S WORD? Yeah, that'll be tied up for who-knows-how-long while the girl is in jail and the guy is on PAID ADMINISTRATIVE LEAVE.

People talk about TIGHTENING THE NOOSE more than they talk about RESTRICTED MOBILITY. Restricted Mobility is a feature of Feudal Economics...and Dark Ages. Nip those overthrow plots in the bud. Restricted Mobility is like PHYSICAL Censorship.

What are American Men gonna DO about that, if anything? It does AMERICANS no good if The Few, The Proud, The Prepared only protect their OWN. Critical Mass will NEVER embrace ruggeder terms, in that case. Y'all would always WIN. Greater FORCE. The self-contratulatory notion that all "Patriots" or even all Board Members are Good Guys is indeed flattering, alas, utterly absurd.

We The (Weakling) People will in that case prefer to LESSEN the force of (overgeneralization) YOU GUYS.

CUT TO: Trayvon Martin

CUT TO: Awareness and re-visiting the prudence of STAND YOUR GROUND laws that most Softies were not even aware had been passed.

CUT TO: As ever, broader gun grabbing . . . at home, not abroad . . . where we sell arms to all "parties".

I FOUND a place. "I'm good" would be a big, fat lie. But I'm good, CONSIDERING. I'm good, COMPARATIVELY. You might think that Weaker Links who are worse off than me would be MORE eager to embrace the kind of thing we have discussed. But that is NOT my experience.

They are MORE fearful. They are LESS able to conceptualize CUTTING LOOSE...and CREATING something beyond and better than the low-grade crappiness to which they are accustomed. Like coaxing a kid to JUMP IN...youcandoit, Imrighthere, Iwontletyoudrown, JUMP! In fairness, we cannot make the same assurances that the parent in the pool can make to the kid trembling on the side of the pool.

If you would impart to me one especially helpful bit of WORK FLOW advice, IS there one nugget that you would pass on before all others?

[Keith and stuff]

My thinking is that one can target the town, county, or state level. My opinion is that going for the highest level you can control is the best option. I went for the county level for this reason. I have a target that I think I can hit. A town is better than no success at all, but depending on the state, a great deal of political power may be at the county level.

Just keep in mind that ultimately, all town, county and state power is in the hands of the state. The state government created or allowed the counties and towns to be created. It is able to take local power or even abolish towns and counties. So if you want freedom in a community, it is a good idea to try to get as many pro-liberty people as possible into positions in the state government where the community is located, as an insurance policy.

In New England, counties do very little and many things which are typically down by county governments in much of the county, like schools, fire departments and law enforcement, are a more local, town oriented function.

[Pericles]

If you would impart to me one especially helpful bit of WORK FLOW advice, IS there one nugget that you would pass on before all others?

One has to have a realistic picture of what one can accomplish. Choosing a too ambitious initial objective that causes a failure discourages the group. Build on a series of successes.

If you can take another thing I have learned - people respond to leadership. During the Texas Revolution, there was a many day discussion as to whether the town of San Antonio (then the seat of the Mexican province of Coahila y Texas) should be attacked and taken. Finally, one guy gets up from the table, starts to leave, and asks: "Who is coming with old Ben Milam to San Antonio?" Knowing when to talk, and when to take action is something that can't be taught (although the Army thinks otherwise).

[Pericles]

Just keep in mind that ultimately, all town, county and state power is in the hands of the state. The state government created or allowed the counties and towns to be created. It is able to take local power or even abolish towns and counties. So if you want freedom in a community, it is a good idea to try to get as many pro-liberty people as possible into positions in the state government where the community is located, as an insurance policy.

In New England, counties do very little and many things which are typically down by county governments in much of the county, like schools, fire departments and law enforcement, are a more local, town oriented function.

Very different west of the Mississippi river. In Texas, the state legislature meets for 4 months every two years. The power is at the county and state board level.

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One has to have a realistic picture of what one can accomplish. Choosing a too ambitious initial objective that causes a failure discourages the group. Build on a series of successes.

Silly Rabbit, I already knew that (GOP nomination? Nope.) AND you already gave that one to Discerning Readers: "I have a target that I think I can hit."

If you can take another thing I have learned - people respond to leadership.

I know it. I tell Communists and Crystal Suckers and the Kum-Bay-Ah folks: LEADERS MANIFEST...good, bad or indifferent. But a surprisingly large number of Americans believe staunchly in HAPPY ENDINGS, including a kinda touching but moreso infuriating trust that EVERYTHING WILL "JUST" WORK OUT. Look Ma, no hands!

Have you advice that is pertinent specifically to organization of what boils down to TOO MUCH INFORMATION? Hard copy.

I was not the only Angeleno who thought O.J. Simpson got off partially because of celebrity & racial bias...and partly because Marcia Clark BORED THE JURY TO DEATH by droning on and on about the SMALL PRINT OF DNA.

[Pericles]

Have you one that is pertinent specifically to organization of what boils down to TOO MUCH INFORMATION? Hard copy.

Don't take my advice, because if you do, you might turn out like I did.

The self effacing humor usually gets people to listen to you at that point.

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Don't take my advice, because if you do, you might turn out like I did.

What's that I hear . . . self-effacement?

Not a chance of that happening + Not the worst that could happen = NO HARM NO FOUL. You got somethin' wise but not proprietary, I'M ALL EARS.

I keep quoting Eddie Izzard, with whom I would not expect a Texan to be familiar, "I'm willing to learn."

Lao Tzu: "If you do not change direction, you may end up where you are heading."

The self effacing humor usually gets people to listen to you at that point.

'Tis method is occasionally and thankfully mightier than the sword. Failing that...having tried true but failed, alas...'tis even oftener the guiltless path to riches that must satisfy in the stead of elusive Liberty & Justice.

Laugh or cry, laugh or cry . . .

Eddie Izzard, again: "Cake or DEATH?!"

[GuerrillaXXI]

Sorry if this has already been mentioned (no time right now to read the whole thread), but it seems CRUCIAL that a free community be located in extremely harsh terrain. I'm talking about dense, non-deciduous forests. Maine and New Hampshire are the most heavily-forested states in the US, so these would be ideal states to have such communities in.

Why? Because that sort of terrain is extremely difficult to spy on with satellites, drones, etc. It's inaccessible to vehicles except by a few routes that could be closed off if necessary. Large rocks and caves, if available, can provide cover from most bombardment. Any hidden surveillance cameras will not be able to see very far in a forest. If it becomes necessary to mount a last-ditch defense of the territory, all these characteristics will be invaluable.