Help North Dakota ABOLISH THE PROPERTY TAX

[The Gold Standard]

Yes, across the Red Sea to Utopia. They may have some success initially, but it would come crashing down at some point. Unless land speculation is dealt with it will crash.

You didn't answer the question. Without property rights you have no rights period. All rights are derived from your right to your property. Can someone who doesn't believe people have rights be a libertarian? I'm not an expert on these philosophies, but I don't think so.

[WilliamC]

If anyone here opposes this, you need to get the hell off of this forum, RIGHT NOW, because you are a Marxist, and have no business on a freedom forum!

Property Tax

Compulsory Schooling

Central Banking

Zoning

Income Tax

Planned Parenthood

CPS

Secular Humanism

If you support any of the above, you are a Marxist! Period. All of the above represent planks of the Communist Manifesto and did not exist in this country prior to 1848. You cannot support any part of the Communist Manifesto and still consider yourself an American patriot or conservative (neocon, yes; conservative, no).

So, if you're even thinking "but, how will we pay for..." go crawl back under whatever Marxist rock you crawled out from under, because you have zero RIGHT to any goods or services you can't figure out how to pay for without stolen money!

I'm a bit soft on secular humanism, since I'm an agnostic/atheist, but if by it you mean anything State supported or mandated then I'm against it too.

I would add anyone supporting gun possession laws (as opposed to gun use laws, which I do support, just because you can carry a gun doesn't mean you can fire it off willy-nilly without consequence wherever you are) to your list.

[BuddyRey]

I love this idea! Is there anything substantive we can do to promote and support it from out of state?

[WilliamC]

^^^^Find local ND politicians who are pushing it and donate to their campaigns.

[Steven Douglas]

I love this idea! Is there anything substantive we can do to promote and support it from out of state?

Definitely! I am, in every way I can think of. Buy their book (ebook available, link on the site - foreward by Ron Paul excerpted below), donate for sure - any amount helps, even five bucks - and generally "Like" their stuff and spread the word. There are 9 other states that are contemplating the same thing - ND is leading the charge, though, and has a great chance of passing it. Assuming the NEA and special interests don't mount a big enough fear and smear campaign.

FOREWARD

Individual liberty, limited government, and private property — these are the values that built America into the greatest country the world has ever known. Yet alarmingly in the U.S. of the 21st century, they are on the verge of extinction.

Over the past 70 years, our nation has been afflicted by an endless and ever-increasing assault from within. The perpetrator is not a terrorist network, or a crime ring. It is our own government. Through stifling tax hikes, regulatory schemes, and wasteful public spending binges, our government has been gradually extinguishing those traits that made America the land of the free and the home of the brave for independent-minded and innovative citizens the world over.

The property tax is the most complex, burdensome, costly, and unfair tax imposed by state and local government. There cannot be true liberty when citizens are not secure in their own homes. As long as the government can impose taxes on one’s property and enforce that exaction by confiscation of the property, there is no real freedom or security.

One of the most egregious effects of this tax is that it punishes citizens who improve their property. A person who upgrades his home and yard is often “rewarded” with a higher assessment and thus a larger tax to pay. This is far different from other taxes, which are based on income level or voluntary consumption of products.

I think that the organizers of the movement to abolish this tax are doing something quite “revolutionary” — in true keeping with what our forebearers did. As Brett Narloch points out in Chapter One of this book, our ancestors rebelled against taxation from the British and fought a war over it. America’s citizens must take it upon ourselves to reclaim that spirit of freedom that made our country great and allowed us to prosper and thrive. The passage of Measure 2, the North Dakota referendum to abolish property taxes, would do just that.

The arguments presented in this book are compelling. Of particular interest to me is the documentation demonstrating that the state does not need property tax revenue to function. In other words, there is no reason to hold on to the unstable and confiscatory real estate tax.

One feature I particularly like about Measure 2 is that it makes it mandatory for the state of North Dakota to “fully and properly” fund all its legally-imposed obligations, and forbids additional spending unless revenues are available. I hope this concept is adopted by other states and the U.S. Congress!

This is a very important moment, not only in North Dakota history, but in the future of the United States. If passed, Measure 2 will set an example of how citizens nationwide can retake control of their government.

Passage will show all citizens that they can have genuine security and sanctuary in their own homes. If the voters of North Dakota embrace Measure 2, it will ignite an already vital North Dakota economy, and the state will become a role model for the rest of the nation to follow.

I urge the people of North Dakota to take the step to free each and every person in North Dakota from having to forever “rent their home from the government” by voting for passage of Measure 2. Such a “revolutionary” act to free citizens from this onerous and unnecessary tax will have ramifications for property owners nationwide.

I applaud Empower the Taxpayer and all who are working to make this a reality. It is truly a vision to reclaim America.

- Congressman Ron Paul

Property Tax Revolution - It's Our Home, Not Theirs!, by Charlene Nelson, Robert Hale & Brett Narloch

EDIT: Incidentally, there are no politicians involved, nor do their votes count in this any more or less than any other ND voter - this is a private citizens initiated referendum for a state constitutional amendment. So if you donate, donate directly to the YESM2.COM people - they're only ones making this possible, and will put that money directly toward getting this passed.

[osan]

California passed Prop 13, but left that property tax camel's nose squarely in the tent. It did not go far enough, and what a disaster California is, with idiot detractors actually blaming Prop 13 for many of the state's woes, with no mention or criticism of the spend-happy fools in state government who are always the problem, and never the solution.

"Because we need. Because we must."

I think CA should adopt this as their state motto. If you're going to be stupid, be proud and do not hide it.

[Voluntary Man]

I'm a bit soft on secular humanism, since I'm an agnostic/atheist, but if by it you mean anything State supported or mandated then I'm against it too.

I'm a Christian, but I'm vehemently opposed to theocracy. We are all born atheists (in the more agnostic sense, at least). Secular Humanism is the atheist equivalent of theocracy. Your being an atheist doesn't necessitate your sympathy for S.H.(!+) any more than I feel compelled by my faith to feel anything but loathing, dread, and terror for theocrats. All thinking atheists/agnostics should be actively opposed to the atheocracy proposed by Secular HumanIsTs.

Here's their link: http://www.secularhumanism.org/index...in&page=values

They were once far more open about their atheocratic views. These days, they are much more careful in their language. Still, not much skill/practice in reading between the lines is needed to unmask their doctrine and its political implications.

[osan]

I'm a Christian, but I'm vehemently opposed to theocracy. We are all born atheists (in the more agnostic sense, at least). Secular Humanism is the atheist equivalent of theocracy. Your being an atheist doesn't necessitate your sympathy for S.H.(!+) any more than I feel compelled by my faith to feel anything but loathing, dread, and terror for theocrats. All thinking atheists/agnostics should be actively opposed to the atheocracy proposed by Secular HumanIsTs.

Here's their link: www.secularhumanism.org/index.php?section=main&page=values

They were once far more open about their atheocratic views. These days, they are much more careful in their language. Still, not much skill/practice in reading between the lines is needed to unmask their doctrine and its political implications.

Well put, sir knight. The element common to both is.... <drumroll>... force.

[Voluntary Man]

Well put, sir knight. The element common to both is.... <drumroll>... force.

Exactly! Whether it's the force to drive you off of land you've already paid for, or to make you bow to God or Gov, it's the coercion that's the issue.

All social life boils down to the conflict between Coercionism and Voluntarism.

[lib3rtarian]

This is a great effort. North Dakota is leading the charge to freedom.

Yes, by electing Rick Santorum. Makes perfect sense.