Ah, ah, ah, but, but, but, you do the same thing to Mr. Roy L., you may accuse. Turn-about is fair play. And indeed in this very thread I have said to Mr. L. "your position is such-and-such." And then it always tells me I'm wrong, of course, and that such-and-such is in fact not its position. The difference is that, having read many hundreds of its posts and gone back and forth with it at length, occasionally even extracting from it sincere and actual answers to questions about what its programmer believed, I am in a position that I actually know what it believes regarding LVT and related issues, to a significant degree. Yes, Mr. L. always tells me I'm wrong and lying about its beliefs, but this always turns out to be a technical issue of jargon, to be a meaningless issue wherein the program has been made to draw distinctions where none exist (no no, that's not a 'just claim to use', it's a 'right to liberty'), to be due to an inherent internal conflict of his position (I am lying when I say Roy must believe everyone has a claim to the Earth's resources, and I am lying when I say that it must believe that no one has such a claim), or to be a case where what the lie was is never even explained, the lie is just stipulated. Plus, Roy is just a Turing machine anyway, so I don't really care.