The Single Tax - Land Value Tax (LVT)

[Steven Douglas]

I know you do not believe people have a right to "that kind" of liberty, because that is the kind of liberty that honest people and good dictionaries mean when they use the term, "liberty." The "kind" of liberty that you mean by "right to liberty" is the kind that enables greedy, idle, privileged parasitic landowners to rob the productive of a quarter of their rightful earnings, and to murder 10 or 15 million innocent people every year, year after year. You believe the right to liberty is a "right" to pay an extortionist for not exercising his legal authority to prevent one from doing what one would otherwise be perfectly at liberty to do.

Now you're getting it. My land. As a greedy, privileged parasitic landowner, I intend to steal and exclusively hold a small parcel for myself, and exclude everyone else who would otherwise be perfectly at liberty to use it. And I also intend not to compensate the community for any part it might have played in "soaking value" into my land. My gain. And the gubmint - I lubs me some good non-LVT gubmint, because I can chip in a little here and there along with others to get some commonly used infrastructure from it. As a bonus, my gubmint-which-I-lubs will provide all the force I need to be the lone parasite on my particular plot of land - which I own - thus forcibly excluding others from access to it without any compensation to them for their deprivations. Furthermore, I might charge extort some rent - some unearned value - for others to use it, thus further contributing to the murders if 10 or 15 million innocent people every year, year after year.

Cause that's how we mountain pass parasitic landowner bandits roll, Roy.

[Roy L]

As a greedy, privileged parasitic landowner, I intend to steal and exclusively hold a small parcel for myself, and exclude everyone else who would otherwise be perfectly at liberty to use it.

Well, at last: an honest statement of fact from you.

And I also intend not to compensate the community for any part it might have played in "soaking value" into my land. My gain.

At others' expense. Check.

And the gubmint - I lubs me some good non-LVT gubmint, because I can chip in a little here and there along with others to get some commonly used infrastructure from it.

Infrastructure that is "commonly used" -- but that the productive must pay landowners full market value for if they want access to it, as well as paying the taxes that fund it, so that the landowners can pocket one of those payments in return for nothing. Check.

As a bonus, my gubmint-which-I-lubs will provide all the force I need to be the lone parasite on my particular plot of land - which I own - thus forcibly excluding others from access to it without any compensation to them for their deprivations. Furthermore, I might charge extort some rent - some unearned value - for others to use it, thus further contributing to the murders if 10 or 15 million innocent people every year, year after year.

Cause that's how we mountain pass parasitic landowner bandits roll, Roy.

I know, and that is what I have been telling you for 250-odd pages. Thanks for finally admitting it.

[Steven Douglas]

I know, and that is what I have been telling you for 250-odd pages. Thanks for finally admitting it.

It was the least I could do, given all your utter clarity in pointing out all the indisputable facts of objective reality, which of course could only point one to a single common conclusion - assuming they don't refuse to know facts as you do...which are, of course, indisputable facts of objective reality. So yeah, I figure that taking a good measure of value from that infrastructure creating and value-infusing community - gaining at their collective expense without any compensation to anyone, and even charging for use of that land and pocketing payments in return for nothing - that seems like a good investment to me. It's something I hope to protect as a matter of right, because it is a great deal for me, anyway, no matter how many people are out of pocket, deprived and uncompensated as a result, and regardless how many millions of innocent people it enslaves and/or kills each year. Year after year.

[Roy L]

It was the least I could do, given all your utter clarity in pointing out all the indisputable facts of objective reality, which of course could only point one to a single common conclusion - assuming they don't refuse to know facts as you do...which are, of course, indisputable facts of objective reality. So yeah, I figure that taking a good measure of value from that infrastructure creating and value-infusing community - gaining at their collective expense without any compensation to anyone, and even charging for use of that land and pocketing payments in return for nothing - that seems like a good investment to me. It's something I hope to protect as a matter of right, because it is a great deal for me, anyway, no matter how many people are out of pocket, deprived and uncompensated as a result, and regardless how many millions of innocent people it enslaves and/or kills each year. Year after year.

This is wonderful, Steven. You are really shaking hands with the truth, and enunciating the landowner ethic with remarkable clarity. I'm impressed. Congratulations!

[Steven Douglas]

This is wonderful, Steven. You are really shaking hands with the truth, and enunciating the landowner ethic with remarkable clarity. I'm impressed. Congratulations!

Yeah, I figured, what's the harm in a trip down the rabbit hole between old friends?

Meanwhile, I heard Ireland was going to finally going to take the LVT plunge, phasing into LVT by 2013.

But it doesn't look like the phasing in parts (flat fee and onward into LVT) are being embraced all that well. A Socialist Tea Party, in Ireland? Whodathunk!

Well, I guess it doesn't help that it's part of an austerity plan, with the tax strongly recommended by the EU, ECB and IMF.

http://seamusoriley.blogspot.com/201...tops-here.html
The charge this year is a flat-fee €100 ($130) per dwelling, but is expected to rise dramatically next year once Ireland starts to vary the charge based on a property's estimated value. Anti-tax campaigners have urged the public to ignore the tax demand, arguing that the government doesn't have the power to collect it.

Ireland imposed the charge as part of its ongoing negotiations with the European Union, European Central Bank and International Monetary Fund, which in 2010 provided Ireland a €67.5 billion ($90 billion) credit line to pay its bills through 2013.

You might want to go to Ireland and remind them about the importance of LVT exemptions for individuals.

[heavenlyboy34]

lolz...I think the sarcasm is lost on Roy L.

[redbluepill]

All taxation leads to corruption. The basic premise of taxation is already morally corrupt.

Except it is not really a tax. The landholder pays rent to everyone else for the PRIVILEGE to exclude them from a piece of land.

[redbluepill]

Land only tax, property only tax, any type of tax still relies on coercion, intimidation and force.

Landholding is coercion, intimidation and force.

[redbluepill]

Did you notice he quoted Tolstoy? Tolstoy was a Christian anarchist and didn't recognize the State as legitimate-thus leaving no mechanism to even collect an LVT. Deception by omission. Orwell was a socialist and aside from this issue, he disagreed with the geoists. Cherry-picking for convenience and deception.

How short is your memory? Tolstoy advocated the LVT. You know it.

The only thing now that would pacify the people now is the introduction of the Land Value Taxation system of Henry George. The land is common to all; all have the same right to it.

Solving the land question means the solving of all social questions.... Possession of land by people who do not use it is immoral — just like the possession of slaves.

The earth cannot be anyone's property. ~ Tolstoy!

http://wealthandwant.com/auth/Tolstoy.htm

[redbluepill]

I'm curious... How many here will be voting for Ron Paul? And how many of that group believe he actually wants to get rid of ALL TAXES?