Why are we supposed to be against the Koch Brothers again?

[onlyrp]

It's easy to speak of liberty... It's not so easy to live up to it in the face of the machine (for 30 years nonetheless).
The Kochs value liberty when it is convenient to them, just as any rational businessmen in their place would.
Same with Reason, Cato, LP, etc. They talk a good game. Usually. But in the end liberty to them is nothing more than a cost/benefit analysis.
And I think that is the central crisis we face with the new "rising stars" of the movement. Who can be trusted to truly be in it for liberty, and who sees a career first?
Ron Paul truly is a rare bird in this respect... A leader like that doesn't just pop up every generation...

Exactly. So do many people here. Nothing wrong with that.

[heavenlyboy34]

Exactly. So do many people here. Nothing wrong with that.

Yes there is. If you're only concerned about your own liberty you're being very myopic and naive. If others' liberty can be violated on a whim, yours will be next.

[onlyrp]

Yes there is. If you're only concerned about your own liberty you're being very myopic and naive. If others' liberty can be violated on a whim, yours will be next.

Tell that to the Koch brothers and NWO for me. I'm sure they're very concerned about that, then they'll fight for other people's liberties too.

[FrankRep]

You left off the last part: but generally do so for the industries in which they are invested. General tax breaks are good. Targeted tax breaks can lead to malinvestment. That said I don't know enough about the Koch brothers to know if that is indeed their strategy.

Tax breaks are good in my opinion.

People invested in Oil want the government out of Oil, what a shocker!


The Koch brothers used to be apart of the Libertarian party, but after getting 5% of the vote, they viewed it as a lost cause and decided to influence the GOP with the Americans for Prosperity, the Cato Institute, etc...


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Did you know? David Koch was a Libertarian Vice-Presidential candidate in 1980
http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthr...didate-in-1980

[FrankRep]

David Koch on the Iraq War:

He opposed the Iraq war, saying that the war has "cost a lot of money, and it's taken so many American lives". "I question whether that was the right thing to do. In hindsight that looks like it was not a good policy." he told an interviewer.

SOURCE:
http://www.weeklystandard.com/articl...html?nopager=1

[Anti Federalist]

I saw a clip of David Koch on the "Starz Westerns" channel, on a filler show called the "Real West".

He won an auction for an orginal photo of Billy the Kid for $2.1 million.

I hate him just for that.

/jk/

[jmdrake]

Tax breaks are good in my opinion.

I didn't say they were bad. I said targeted tax breaks can lead to malinvestment.

People invested in Oil want the government out of Oil, what a shocker!

Not a shocker at all. But here's the problem. Say if oil gets a tax break but coal does not or vice versa. Is it really good for the government to pick the winners and losers based on who has the best lobbyists?

The Koch brothers used to be apart of the Libertarian party, but after getting 5% of the vote, they viewed it as a lost cause and decided to influence the GOP with the Americans for Prosperity, the Cato Institute, etc...


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Did you know? David Koch was a Libertarian Vice-Presidential candidate in 1980
http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthr...didate-in-1980

That's nice. But that has nothing to do with the point I made about targeted tax breaks. Did you know that 2004 libertarian presidential candidate Bob Barr endorsed Barack Obama's nomination of gun grabber Eric Holder as attorney general? I'm agnostic about the Koch brothers. But I have a problem with targeted tax breaks. Tax breaks should be across the board with the goal of getting them to zero.

[Traditional Conservative]

They're our friends when they're anti-Obama, anti-tax, anti-global warming, anti-health care, and Tea Party. But they're our biggest enemies when they're neocons, anti-corporate tax, anti-OWS.

What exactly makes them "neo-cons?" And shouldn't being opposed to corporate taxes and all other taxes be a good thing? I'm sure that Ron supports abolishing the corporate income tax, as he supports abolishing the entire IRS.

[FrankRep]

What exactly makes them "neo-cons?" And shouldn't being opposed to corporate taxes and all other taxes be a good thing? I'm sure that Ron supports abolishing the corporate income tax, as he supports abolishing the entire IRS.

onlyrp is banned. The Koch brothers are not neo-cons.

[angelatc]

General tax breaks are good. Targeted tax breaks can lead to malinvestment. That said I don't know enough about the Koch brothers to know if that is indeed their strategy.

That's a fair point. But if we have to choose between getting some people lower taxes, or no people lower taxes, which should we pick?