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    Quote Originally Posted by LibertyEagle View Post
    Again, Dr. Paul did not feel that way, or he wouldn't have been hosting educational lunches on economics for years on end.
    Yeah, he's been educating people toward his version of libertarianism so beltway libertarianism can be put down for good.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sgt150 View Post
    Yeah, he's been educating people toward his version of libertarianism so beltway libertarianism can be put down for good.
    That's right and it needs to continue. By SOMEONE. Thus, my initial comment about wishing the Mises Institute had a presence in D.C.
    "We do have some differences and our approaches will be different, but that makes him his own person. I mean why should he [Rand] be a clone and do everything and think just exactly as I have. I think it's an opportunity to be independent minded. We are about 99% the same on issues." "People Try To Drive Wedges Between Rand And Me." --Ron Paul

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    Ron could drop by once in a while, stay at Rand's apartment LOL and help with the luncheons. Of course, if he's at the WH, he can help get someone else started since he's in town.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LibertyEagle View Post
    That's right and it needs to continue. By SOMEONE. Thus, my initial comment about wishing the Mises Institute had a presence in D.C.
    That's where LvMI was until Lew and crew decided to move to Auburn.
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    One of the koch brothers ran on the libertarian ticket as vp in the 80's. They're platform at the time included eliminating the federal reserve, CIA, FDA, DEA, and the EPA among other things. So, they can't be all bad.
    "Look, the American people have chosen to have a fiat money standard because they want a welfare state. You cannot have a gold standard and a welfare state at the same time. You have to make the choice. We have made a decision as a society that we’ll be dealing with the welfare state." -Alan Greenspan

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    Quote Originally Posted by dbill27 View Post
    One of the koch brothers ran on the libertarian ticket as vp in the 80's. They're platform at the time included eliminating the federal reserve, CIA, FDA, DEA, and the EPA among other things. So, they can't be all bad.
    They've since abandoned those views to become establishment whores.

    That's right and it needs to continue. By SOMEONE. Thus, my initial comment about wishing the Mises Institute had a presence in D.C.
    Why do they have to be in D.C. to spread liberty? We can fund liberty candidates throughout the country without having a presence in that cesspool
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zatch View Post
    Serious question.

    They fund FreedomWorks, Reason Foundation, Cato Institute, Institute for Justice. Not sure why we're supposed to be against them exactly. Seems like Lew Rockwell just hates them because they aren't anarchists.

    [Oops...meant to post this in General Politics. If mod sees this please move it there.]
    FreedomWorls founder was a pro Palestinian-ethnic-cleansing, notorious racist if I'm not mistaken.
    Kochies don't seem much better either.

    http://alexbkane.wordpress.com/2010/...-islamophobia/

    Koch Brothers Also Funding Islamophobia

    Now, more has emerged about the Koch brothers’ agenda, and it’s not just limited to advocating for “drastically lower personal and corporate taxes, minimal social services for the needy, and much less oversight of industry—especially environmental regulation.” An investigation by CounterPunch‘s Pam Martens has revealed that “a secretive libertarian nonprofit with ties to Charles Koch bankrolled what was widely perceived to be a fear mongering effort to throw the Presidential election to Senator John McCain in 2008.”

    The “fear mongering effort” in question was the documentary “Obsession: Radical Islam’s War Against the West,” which was distributed to millions of people in “swing states” around the country in the run-up to the 2008 presidential election through corporate newspapers. The documentary has been condemned as anti-Muslim, and features interviews with notorious Islamophobes such as Steven Emerson, Daniel Pipes and Caroline Glick.

    Not sure of they are hardcore pimps of war/occupation lobbies but look like suspected neocons.
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    I love Reason, and I think CATO is tremendous. I also love LRC, and think I LvMI is tremendous.

    You're lying to yourself if you think Reason and CATO never put out really great, Liberty-oriented pieces. They may have released some pieces that you dislike, but they're definitely trying to move things in the right direction.

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    Quote Originally Posted by eduardo89 View Post
    I can't blame them for playing the system...
    That's the way I feel about it If you want to play a game, you will lose if you don't play using the same rules that everybody else does. The liberals detest them, so I consider them any ally.

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