Yes, he was a "bad" war hawk.
No, not a bad man.
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The British,French,Poland all received decoded German messages years before the outbreak of WW2. Some of these messages Hitler laid out his entire plan for European conquest. Churchill also revealed in his book "World Crisis" that the allies had broke the enemies code. Way to go Winston!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hans-Thilo_Schmidt
WATCH THIS:
http://www.hulu.com/watch/189154/sec...ma#s-p13-so-i0
makes you wonder...
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Winston hated Franklin'. That shit is obvious. You think he liked begging to the US to save the british from their Imperial scheme, that was Hitler? The brit's bankrolled the Nazi Party via investment firms in London/Wallstreet. Do you think keynes liked the Bretton Woods system? He nearly flipped his shit when he heard FDR's treasury dept wanted to "fix" exchange rates.Originally Posted by BuddyRey
Should I mention the Coup that was foiled against FDR? When investment bankers tried to get General Butler to lead his vets to literally murder FDR if required, with the end result in mind of getting a fascist regime in America.
Reminds me of Amity Schlaes bullshit propaganda "the forgotten man" thrashing FDR.
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iirc, he was an economizing warhawk. he called for foreign interventionism where it benefitted the national, and warned against it when the costs were to big (as in occupying Iraq in the 1920s). so, his baseline morality put him in the wrong, but his sense of reality sometimes would have made put him philosophically with non-interventionists.
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Churchill may have had a hand in some unsavoury things but he was no war hawk as you guys suggest...
Winston Churchill, unlike many politicians served in the trenches along with his men. Allow me to elaborate on this. At the time of the out break of WW1, Churchill held the position of First Lord of the Admiralty as part of the Asquith Liberal government. During the war, he continued as First Lord of the Admiralty until the disastrous Gallipoli Campaign, which he had sponsored, this campaign was a military blunder in every sense of the word. Churchill being pretty much in charge of the navy held himself responsible. So, he quit his position and in an effort to make good with himself and his conscience he enlisted in the army and served on the Western Front in the trenches among the fighting men. Now i don't care what anyone says, to have done that takes balls! Many more would have just retreated to a backroom position until the heat was off.
He was also took part in what became known as the last 'proper' cavalry charge in the British army, during the campaign of Sudan in 1898.. Churchill, along with the rest of his company charged machine gun positions on horse back carrying sabre's and lances..He also took part in a daring escape from a prisoner of war camp in Africa during the Boer war, was hunted across the continent until he reached a port and managed to get passage to Britain. Further more, On D-day he actually planned on going ashore with the troops armed with his revolver and walking cane...
War hawks don't serve, war hawks advocate a war policy from the safety of an office someplace and usually lack the courage of their convictions. Churchill may have held some questionable positions and held some dodgy allegiances but at least he was willing to put himself in harms way and go were others would not.
P.s...
When Churchill served as Chancellor of the Exchequer in 1924 he RETURNED the Pound to the gold standard
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...for, as long as but a hundred of us remain alive, never will we on any conditions be brought under English rule. It is in truth not for glory, nor riches, nor honours that we are fighting, but for freedom – for that alone, which no honest man gives up but with life itself.
The Declaration of Arbroath, 1320.
Winston Churchill
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Winston Churchill AKA Winston Leonard Spencer Churchill
Born: 30-Nov-1874
Birthplace: Blenheim Palace, Oxfordshire, England
Died: 24-Jan-1965
Location of death: London, England
Cause of death: Stroke
Remains: Buried, Bladon, Oxfordshire, England
Gender: Male
Religion: Anglican/Episcopalian
Race or Ethnicity: White
Sexual orientation: Straight
Occupation: Head of State
Nationality: England
Executive summary: WWII Prime Minister of England
Military service: British Army
Father: Lord Randolph Churchill
Mother: Jeanette Jerome ("Jennie")
Brother: John Strange Churchill (b. 9-Feb-1880)
Wife: Clementine Ogilvy Hozier (m. 12-Sep-1908)
Daughter: Diana Churchill (b. 11-Jul-1909, d. 1963)
Son: Randolph Frederick Edward Churchill (b. 28-May-1911)
Daughter: Sarah Churchill (b. 7-Oct-1914)
Daughter: Marigold Frances Churchill (b. 15-Nov-1918)
Daughter: Mary Churchill (b. 15-Sep-1922)
High School: Harrow School
University: Royal Military Academy Sandhurst (1895)
Administrator: University of Bristol
UK Prime Minister (1951-55)
UK Minister of Defence (1951-52)
UK Member of Parliament for Woodford (1945-64)
Lord Warden of the Cinque Ports (1941-65)
UK Prime Minister (1940-45)
UK Minister of Defence (1940-45)
Chancellor of the Exchequer (1924)
UK Member of Parliament for Epping (1924-45)
UK Secretary of State for the Colonies (1921-22)
UK Minister of Munition (1917-19)
Chancellor of the Duchy of Lancaster (1915)
UK Home Secretary (1910-11)
UK Member of Parliament for Dundee (1908-22)
UK Member of Parliament for Manchester North West (1906-08)
UK Member of Parliament for Oldham (1900-06)
Athenaeum Club (London)
Carlton Club
Conservative Party (UK)
Freemasonry Studholme Lodge, London (1901)
Pilgrims Society
Nobel Prize for Literature (1953)
Congressional Gold Medal
Knight of the British Empire
Kentucky Colonel
Time Man of the Year 1940
Time Man of the Year 1949
Sonning Prize 1950
Taken Prisoner of War
Stroke (Jun-1953)
Stroke (15-Jan-1965)
Naturalized US Citizen 1963 (honorary)
Appendectomy
Hernia Operation (11-Jun-1947)
Huguenot Ancestry
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I jumped in w/o reading it properly, lol. I thought you meant second term and re-ellection after the war. Yeh im aware of his later years and i think even he would agree that his second shot at being PM was a disaster. I think by then too much had changed while he'd gotten older.
...for, as long as but a hundred of us remain alive, never will we on any conditions be brought under English rule. It is in truth not for glory, nor riches, nor honours that we are fighting, but for freedom – for that alone, which no honest man gives up but with life itself.
The Declaration of Arbroath, 1320.
He helped bring about WW2, of course he's a bad guy. It was not exactly a good thing for freedom when Poland got invaded, but what business did Great Britain and France have dictating who can or cannot invade Poland? None. Because of them, WW2 spread to the west.
And don't be kidded that Britain declared war to be nice, they just didn't want competition and because of Churchill, lives were lost. How hypocritical for a country that enslaved countries for years on end to all of a sudden have a change of heart and give a crap about Poland. If they won the war, they would have probably taken Poland for themselves.
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...I think we have moral obligations to disobey unjust laws, because non-cooperation with evil is as much as a moral obligation as cooperation with good. - MLK Jr.
Before I answer, I need to know this since my history knowledge is weak.
I heard he was supporter of mideast intervention. Did he believe in arab=jew racial equality doctrime or was anti-semite towards either one of the two races?
If he was anti-semitic towards palestinians or jews, he would not be on my good guys list.
Last edited by moderate libertarian; 03-02-2012 at 06:18 PM.
If you lose the war, you're the bad guy. It's who writes the books.
Ron Paul is the Nikola Tesla of politics.
He was not nice towards the Semitics. He also had no problem using poisonous gases on brown people.
"Logic is an enemy and truth is a menace." ~ Rod Serling
"Cops today are nothing but an armed tax collector" ~ Frank Serpico
"To be normal, to drink Coca-Cola and eat Kentucky Fried Chicken is to be in a conspiracy against yourself."
"People that don't want to make waves sit in stagnant waters. "
"Every time someone makes fun of the idea of “conspiracy theories” they are exhibiting a conditioned response – like salivating when they hear a bell or believing a TV news program." ~ Craig McKee
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