You won't read this thread because you don't like the truth. We lose if we don't ADAPT.

[eleganz]

THIS IS A REVOLUTION & YOU BETTER F'ING ACT LIKE YOU'RE FIGHTING IN ONE IF YOU WANT RON PAUL TO BE PRESIDENT PAUL

If we don't change our forum/grassroots mentality, we will lose (this election). Plain and simple.


Stop the speculation and POINTLESS topics/threads and start promoting ACTIVISM & ORGANIZATION.


We will literally be the end of ourselves, most of us are the very sheeple we condemn the rest of the country of being.



Sorry if this is too much of a REALITY CHECK for you but I'm here to win NOT chit chat.



If you are here to win, you better start changing the way you operate on these forums and in your free-time.


I've already accepted that we weren't losing because of fraud, we're losing because all of the so called 'hardcore Ron Paul supporters' aren't very hardcore after all.

We definitely don't live up to the name and reputation that has been given to us.



TOO MUCH BARK, NOT ENOUGH BITE.



STOP F'ING SPECULATING. DO SOMETHING IF YOU ARE ABLE TO.


-Call Washington friday and Saturday morning. All day Saturday-Tuesday for Super Tuesday
www.phone.ronpaul2012.com

This is a message from John Tate, TODAY:

"If Ron Paul is going to finish strong on Super Tuesday, we must make sure as many identified supporters as possible show up to vote.

Our numbers show that if we can turn out every supporter we've identified in key Super Tuesday states, Ron Paul WILL have an INCREDIBLY strong showing."

GET ON THE PHONES.

WASHINGTON CAUCUS LOCATOR
https://www.waronpaul.com/caucus/locator

WASHINGTON CAMPAIGN HQ PHONE #
1-425-440-0324



-Read up on your delegates:
http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthr...ook-no-further!

-get on www.ronpaulcountry.com & www.meetup.com BE ACTIVE, START EVENTS, BUILD A VOLUNTEER DATABASE...DO SOMETHING.

-Help others promote their local activism by BUMPING activism threads and keeping them alive.

-pump donations





If you have a suggestion, name it and I'll ADD it in the OP.

[joshnorris14]

Isn't saying "we lose if we don't adapt" itself speculation?

[doremedia]

Well, there is no way they are going to allow Ron Paul to win. The objective is to continue the fight...get lots of delegates, push the Liberty movement further along, organize and start putting Ron Paul principles to work at the local level. Our Ron Paul group has become a PAC and we are going to effect change on the local level..we are already supporting Ron Paul candidates locally..we have to first change our own back yards. All Politics is Local.

[kathy88]

Rant?

[floridasun1983]

DO SOMETHING IF YOU ARE ABLE TO.

"DO SOMETHING." Do what, exactly? What do you suggest?

[hammy]

I think the problem is we're fighting blind. How do you compete with a multi-billion dollar industry that has the average citizen so tightly gripped? What do you do? I know of at least half of the people that I know who REFUSE to support Ron Paul, refuse to support him because they listen to Hannity, Beck, Rush, etc. They view these people as gods, as if they have all the answers. It's not possible to get through to them. Anything I say is wrong or a lie because I'm a "brainwashed Paulbot."

[silverhandorder]

You know not all grassroots works the same way. For example people that want to be more active will gravitate to the grassroots organizations that offer that. Such as meet ups, cfl, daily paul (I get the impression that they are more activist orientated.)

To try and make RPF into something like that is counter productive. RPF on it's own way very successful.

[Article V]

If we don't change our forum/grassroots mentality, we will lose (this election). Plain and simple.
...
We will literally be the end of ourselves, most of us are the very sheeple we condemn the rest of the country of being.
...
If you are here to win, you better start changing the way you operate on these forums and in your free-time.

So you're suggesting we do more of the same?

Sorry, I don't see any useful suggestion in your OP for adaptation, and the mods will shut you down quickly if you even try to evolve your thought into a worthwhile suggestion that Ron Paul's campaign could or should be doing something differently. (Critical analysis and suggestions for adaptation are not welcome here in the Grassroots RPF. We only allow anti-establishment news paired with our own rah-rah-rah's -- submitted in either pic, YouTube, or message form.)

The forums are for groupthink: everything is rosy here; when voting results are below expectations, it's the medias fault; there's a conspiracy against us; let's have another Moneybomb; our delegate strategy is working perfectly; and if we just push a little bit more, we'll finally cross the tipping point threshold we've been angling toward for months after months after months...

[bbwarfield]

I never got why a real activist network hast been made. I mean... I can say whatever I want on a forum or chat room and it effects not one thing I do in the rest of my day..... but if we stop being anonymous people to eachother..... just sans serif and times new romans..... but get on the phones. CALL people (you know that all my invites to events have been text messages and facebook? I heard not one human voice inviting me to an event.... And when I got to the event.... i met know one.... I didnt connect to anybody. I found the two people I knew and stayed with them) we need to hear each others voices over the electric telephone. Then we can start truly being organized and work as a real group. OUt there in, what I affectionately call "the real world", instead of just in here... on our majical forums of activism. We gotta be a face and a voice to eachother.... not just an avatar and a witty quote involving our love of the good Dr.

[gerryb]

Some suggestions:
Attend a workshop and learn the techniques for winning hosted by:
Leadership Institute
American Majority

http://phone.ronpaul2012.com

Organize a local group (recruit via meetup.com, facebook ads($75 of free coupons per member), google ads(up to $100 free coupons per member). Work with the camapign in your state and see if they have lists of current supporters.
Get your local group to take over the GOP "establishment". The GOP is a grassroots run and elected organization. We have superior grassroots, right? Prove it. Take them over.

Start an issue organization about something you're passionate about.

Organize a campus(Use YFP or YAL campus training/techniques for recruiting)

[hb6102]

If eleganz hasnt said it 100 times already, PHONE FROM HOME!!!!

[soulcyon]

I've come to the conclusion that there is some conspiracy going on at the GOP. The only way to beat the mainstream media is to become the mainstream media - there's no way around it.

[bbwarfield]

oooohhhh..... phone from home is suppose to be calling people who arent Ron Paul supporters.... not other paul supporters... right... forget that whole thing on hearing eachothers voices.

[Paul Revered]

"DO SOMETHING." Do what, exactly? What do you suggest?

The OP already suggested it, "stop speculating." I've organized members of my community to become delegates. Aside from that, I come to these forums throughout almost all of every day, looking for ammunition. I take that information to various forums. In the one forum that I'm in, there were only two vocal Ron Paul supporters, including myself, a few months ago. Now there are dozens. I can't measure what part I played in that; but I suspect that it was the bulk of it. Speculation and misinformation do irreversible damage to my credibility; and it will be used against me by my opponents, for months in the future. I learned this lesson the hard way in 2007. Since then I've had to check out each and every post in these forums, with the purported source. That's time consuming. What is also time consuming is wading through masses of threads which don't serve to yield valuable information. When I'm searching, I'm not posting. When I'm not posting; I'm not building support for our cause.

[Philosophy_of_Politics]

I, like many people, use the forums as a way to catch up on information I may be missing. I come here in search of crucial information, campaign news, election news, policy, education, and various other things such as civil discussion.

Activism starts in the mind. Learning as much as we can, so we can continue this trend of growth, for future generations. If the message--the cause--is lost to the pages of history, then who emerges in the end? If we abandon our efforts in spreading the word, or educating ourselves, what will our future hold? Without discussion, debate, and even argumentation, would humanity truly learn anything of importance? We can plant seeds of corruption, or we can plant seeds of liberty. Either one, will blossom, if the other fails to gain dominance. Activism starts in the mind, as I said, and we can only encourage both. Scolding others for their beliefs, or their level of motivation, will only further discourage them from trying.

[kathy88]

So you're suggesting we do more of the same?

Sorry, I don't see any suggestion in your OP for adaptation, and the mods will shut you down quickly if you even try to evolve your thought into a worthwhile suggestion that Ron Paul's campaign could or should be doing something differently. (Critical analysis and suggestions for adaptation are not welcome here in the Grassroots RPF. We only allow anti-establishment news paired with our own rah-rah-rah's -- submitted in either pic, YouTube, or message form.)

The forums are for groupthink: everything is rosy here; when voting results are below expectations, it's the medias fault; there's a conspiracy against us; let's have another Moneybomb; our delegate strategy is working perfectly; and if we just push a little bit more, we'll finally cross the tipping point threshold we've been angling toward for months after months after months...

Some have been at it for years and years. Negativity permeates quickly. Blaming everyone else is the easy way out but unfortunately the media does black us out. The establishment GOP doesn't want us. The tea party was infiltrated with neocons. Votes have been tampered with. People don't show up. Americans are fat lazy and brainwashed. It's not a conspiracy it's just the way things are. We do our best individually to the best of our abilities with what we have. Those of us who have experienced this political roller coaster are used to it. We keep on because our cause is just. So forgive us if we don't like hearing over and over again that the campaign sucks and we aren't doing enough. As for the mods I wouldn't want to deal with this group of whining infants (myself included) for anything. So I hope you forgive me when I say STFU.

[eleganz]

oooohhhh..... phone from home is suppose to be calling people who arent Ron Paul supporters.... not other paul supporters... right... forget that whole thing on hearing eachothers voices.

PFH is currently calling RP supporters and getting them out to the caucus in WA. We have the numbers to win but we need turnout.

So instead of complaining about PFH, just get on it and do what you gotta do.

What else can you do? speculate on RPF?

[floridasun1983]

The OP already suggested it, "stop speculating." I've organized members of my community to become delegates. Aside from that, I come to these forums throughout almost all of every day, looking for ammunition. I take that information to various forums. In the one forum that I'm in, there were only two vocal Ron Paul supporters, including myself, a few months ago. Now there are dozens. I can't measure what part I played in that; but I suspect that it was the bulk of it. Speculation and misinformation do irreversible damage to my credibility; and it will be used against me by my opponents, for months in the future. I learned this lesson the hard way in 2007. Since then I've had to check out each and every post in these forums, with the purported source. That's time consuming. What is also time consuming is wading through masses of threads which don't serve to yield valuable information. When I'm searching, I'm not posting. When I'm not posting; I'm not building support for our cause.

Sorry, but "stop speculating" isn't much of a plan. Actually, the OP is doing a great deal of speculating on his or her own, by speculating that nobody is doing enough to help. That would be incorrect. I am donating money to the campaign. I have bumper stickers and signs. I share RP news on Facebook. I VOTED for Dr. Paul, which apparently is a lot more than most of his cheerleaders actually do. I delivered other votes for Dr. Paul in the form of converts.

Frankly I get offended with these "the reason we're not winning is because YOU aren't doing enough" threads.

[eleganz]

Sorry, but "stop speculating" isn't much of a plan. Actually, the OP is doing a great deal of speculating on his or her own, by speculating that nobody is doing enough to help. That would be incorrect. I am donating money to the campaign. I have bumper stickers and signs. I share RP news on Facebook. I VOTED for Dr. Paul, which apparently is a lot more than most of his cheerleaders actually do. I delivered other votes for Dr. Paul in the form of converts.

Frankly I get offended with these "the reason we're not winning is because YOU aren't doing enough" threads.

If you feel you are doing enough, you shouldn't be offended.


Seriously, we're fighting the largest, most powerful conglomeration of greed and corruption and you're whining about someone that isn't even talking about you?

I thought this was a REVOLUTION.

[Lord Xar]

So you're suggesting we do more of the same?

Sorry, I don't see any useful suggestion in your OP for adaptation, and the mods will shut you down quickly if you even try to evolve your thought into a worthwhile suggestion that Ron Paul's campaign could or should be doing something differently. (Critical analysis and suggestions for adaptation are not welcome here in the Grassroots RPF. We only allow anti-establishment news paired with our own rah-rah-rah's -- submitted in either pic, YouTube, or message form.)

The forums are for groupthink: everything is rosy here; when voting results are below expectations, it's the medias fault; there's a conspiracy against us; let's have another Moneybomb; our delegate strategy is working perfectly; and if we just push a little bit more, we'll finally cross the tipping point threshold we've been angling toward for months after months after months...

Posts like this rather infuriate me. Either you are out of touch with the reality of the situation or you are part of the problem. Read Kathy88 post above. That poster gets it. You don't. Eleganz is frustrated and rightly so. It is frustrating when someone is giving 120% and another is giving 2%. And the 2% has the energy to wax poetic or "give their righteous opinions" on the primary while not bothering to get into the fray. He is probably tired, over-worked, over-stressed and he is BEGGING FOR HELP!! Help to get Ron Paul elected and you just $#@! on it... A few people are doing a HELL OF A LOT behind the scenes paddling the boat for the rest of you.

So are you gonna make calls, pass out flyers, get the word out or are you gonna quietly support a man this country so desperately needs....

Anyways. Eleganz is 10000% right.

[splanky]

I've come to the conclusion that there is some conspiracy going on at the GOP. The only way to beat the mainstream media is to become the mainstream media - there's no way around it.

Conspiracy at the GOP? Who'da thunkit? No, seriously, your remark about the media is right on. TV is like the typewriter, only useful as a reminder of things antiquated. Whether we win this thing or not, interactive media will assure an ultimate reversal of the top down system that has plagued us for so long. And our folks happen to know more about it than the old msm cadavers do. It's in the works but takes more time than we want it to. We'll get there. Well, since I'm a boomer, YOU'LL get there.

[azxd]

You won't read this thread because you don't like the truth. We lose if we don't ADAPT.

Adapt ?
How about staying on course and voting for the principles you believe in ?
How about supporting someone who .... Nevermind
Your frustraton does not need to be mine.

[JJ2]

I am disgusted with the Paul supporters who don't vote. I'm all for GOTV efforts, don't get me wrong, but why should we have to call each other to make sure we vote, and even then we have low turnout??

I mean no one had to call me and tell me to vote. I just voted. Period. Even if you don't think your vote will matter or that it won't be counted or that there's election fraud, it's very easy to vote (especially in primary states) and how can it possibly harm Paul's chances of winning?

Who could say they support Paul and want him to be President and then just not vote? Are people really that lazy? I just don't get it.

/rant

[eleganz]

Adapt ?
How about staying on course and voting for the principles you believe in ?
How about supporting someone who .... Nevermind
Your frustraton does not need to be mine.

Even Ron Paul adapted throughout his life and perfected his character (compassion, tolerance, patience, among others). He didn't become who he is today by not WALKING his TALK. <---did you see what I just did there?

[Mikakaze]

I say let people do what they do best/enjoy doing. Most of us are here for the same reason, we just have different methods/goals. There are plenty of us who may have already accepted the fact the Ron may not win this time around, but that the cause itself would not be lost as a result. We have some people here fighting for the long haul and working to better understand the process and figure out how to best influence/inform others...whether it be by exposing the bias of MSM or learning to use the tools of social media to relay a certain message. I know this thread is probably directly referencing the "possible fraud evidence" thread, and it just may be that those who are really involved in that effort feel that it's a much more significant issue or they are at least more equipped to handle it than working on PFH. It makes no sense to try and derail such efforts...just focus on what you feel is important and allow others to do the same.

[eleganz]

I am disgusted with the Paul supporters who don't vote. I'm all for GOTV efforts, don't get me wrong, but why should we have to call each other to make sure we vote, and even then we have low turnout??

I mean no one had to call me and tell me to vote. I just voted. Period. Even if you don't think your vote will matter or that it won't be counted or that there's election fraud, it's very easy to vote (especially in primary states) and how can it possibly harm Paul's chances of winning?

Who could say they support Paul and want him to be President and then just not vote? Are people really that lazy? I just don't get it.

/rant

I agree, but the reality is that it happens and that is what our supposedly 'ORGANIZED GRASSROOTS' is supposed to be doing.

Apparently we can't even do that.

[eleganz]

Posts like this rather infuriate me. Either you are out of touch with the reality of the situation or you are part of the problem. Read Kathy88 post above. That poster gets it. You don't. Eleganz is frustrated and rightly so. It is frustrating when someone is giving 120% and another is giving 2%. And the 2% has the energy to wax poetic or "give their righteous opinions" on the primary while not bothering to get into the fray. He is probably tired, over-worked, over-stressed and he is BEGGING FOR HELP!! Help to get Ron Paul elected and you just $#@! on it... A few people are doing a HELL OF A LOT behind the scenes paddling the boat for the rest of you.

So are you gonna make calls, pass out flyers, get the word out or are you gonna quietly support a man this country so desperately needs....

Anyways. Eleganz is 10000% right.

Don't mind me, I just BOLDED the parts you were 100% spot on.

[speciallyblend]

we vote on state delegates march 10th and in april we vote on national delegates ,so nothing is finished in colorado! just saying

[azxd]

Even Ron Paul adapted throughout his life and perfected his character (compassion, tolerance, patience, among others). He didn't become who he is today by not WALKING his TALK. <---did you see what I just did there?

Uhm,
Learned to hold down the shift key while typing

[azxd]

It makes no sense to try and derail such efforts...just focus on what you feel is important and allow others to do the same.

I'll do my best to handle such freedom