My music/art page is here"government is the enemy of liberty"-RPOriginally Posted by Ron PaulThat which doesn't kill me has made a grave tactical error
I make my claim forcibly against you just like Prudential Insurance and Malkin Holdings do at the Empire State Building. If you don't like it, then that's too bad. It is good for me and my family because we can have a home to live in and feel safe, secure, warm and dry. I will defend my family and my right to own land with a weapon if necessary.
"Everyone who believes in freedom must work diligently for sound money, fully redeemable. Nothing else is compatible with the humanitarian goals of peace and prosperity." -- Ron Paul
Oh? Then why can't you answer The Question:the capitalist is rewarded by the market to the extent he's helping produce goods & services & making everyone better off than they otherwise would be,
"How, exactly, is production aided by the landowner's demand that the producer pay HIM for what government, the community and nature provide?"
OTC, poor countries often have rich (especially landowning) elites with lots of savings. It is almost proverbial in many poor countries that people who need to borrow money go to the local landowner, who brings out a box stuffed with it.that's why poorer countries usually have fewer capitalists - no savings (ah! "hoarding"),
Not if you compare capitalism to liberty and justice.Again, I'm not saying wealthy don't have their advantages but merely the fact that capitalism is the best deal for EVERYONE because it helps everyone to be better off than they OTHERWISE would have been
ROTFL! Nonsense. It is rapidly becoming fascist, not socialist. The signs are everywhere.Media that always depict capitalism as the "evil guy" is one of the reasons why the country is moving towards an Orwellian nightmare led by socialism;
People are actually safer in HK. Why can't you ever remember that HK refutes you?Exactly! Just like the Hatfields and McCoys
I make my claim forcibly against you just like Prudential Insurance and Malkin Holdings do at the Empire State Building. If you don't like it, then that's too bad. It is good for me and my family because we can have a home to live in and feel safe, secure, warm and dry.
IOW, you can't justify your claim to own land by any means other than the one slave owners used to justify their ownership of slaves. Thought not.I will defend my family and my right to own land with a weapon if necessary.
Easy answer : rich people are ethical if they're also Ron Paul supporters or libertarians, because then they're real capitalists. But if they are not, then they're immoral corporatists who want freedom for themselves, but taxes and regulations on everybody else. What decides your morality isn't how much money you have, but how you got it and how you allow other people to compete with you.
You need to take a couple of months off work to figure out what rights are, and how making the sun into private property would violate them. If you can figure that out, you might be minimally qualified to participate in this discussion.
If you were thinking, you might be able to figure out that I "missed" it because it is stupid, dishonest and fallacious crap.I don't know how you missed that.
Which might be because you can't.I don't justify to you.
Like slave owners' justification for owning slaves.I justify it in my mind and that is all I need.
But you can't justify it any more than the socialists who think it is natural to confiscate privately produced wealth.It is natural for me like my right to eat.
You enjoy being unjustly privileged. What a surprise. I'm sure slave owners did, too.I don't care what you think about it. You don't have to own land if you don't want. I do, and we enjoy it.
Just giving away, adds little & only increases demand & prices of EXISTING LIMITED goods & services while saving it allows others to use that purchasing-power to PRODUCE, that's what capitalism is about & that's what makes it beter than socialism
For example, you may've a socialist society completely bereft of force & they'd still be worse off that a capitalist society bereft of force because socialist one won't be saving much & redistribution, (even consensual) only succeeds in raising demand & prices & destroyes capital
Why do you think doctors make more than a bricklayer? Because doctors services are valued more by the society & there's a lower supply of his services compared to its demand & hence his "price" gets bidded up, which is an indication by the market to show that there's low supply & more people need to become doctors to meet demand but unfortunately becoming a good doctor is beyond most people but even still, you'll see in places like India or China there's a glut of doctors & that's why their "prices" are much lower & many in the West can travel & vacation there & get the desired treatment, all with the same money or less than what it would cost in the West, where there's less competition because of big labor & welfarism & what not but just to make the point that prices are market-indicators of supply & demand, higher the supply, less the price & higher demand, higher the price
If someone gives others "livable wage" (& that's pretty subjective most of the time anyway) irrespective of the services & productivity provided by them then he'll be giving more to them than the value of goods & services, they'll consume more goods & services than the value of services they've provided to the society
I guess you "want" to support capitalism but you don't because I'm sorry but you're stuck in a socialist paradigm
It's NOT a question of "how much money does one need", but people fail to see that by not just spending it or just giving it away for others to spend, he SAVES purchasing-power & thereby demand & prices for goods & services are lower than they otherwise would be & thereby he creates "capital" & then he makes that purchasing-power available to other productive people who want to be produce MORE goods & services & prosperity of a society as a whole depends ONLY & ONLY one thing - availability of more & more goods & services so that prices would be lower than they otherwise would be & more people can enjoy them
There are three parts to the video-series I think & I'd HIGHLY recommend this free e-book, it's written in simple English, no complex jargon or stats, etc & it's not very lengthy either - http://www.hacer.org/pdf/Hazlitt00.pdf
There is enormous inertia — a tyranny of the status quo — in private and especially governmental arrangements. Only a crisis — actual or perceived — produces real change. When that crisis occurs, the actions that are taken depend on the ideas that are lying around. That, I believe, is our basic function: to develop alternatives to existing policies, to keep them alive and available until the politically impossible becomes politically inevitable
- Milton Friedman
When anyone says "He doesn't deserve that pay" --- what they are really saying is "the guy who gave him that pay is really stupid" because no gets paid unless someone else gives them the money.
Their complaint, then, is bizarre.
They are judging -not the guy getting money but - the guy GIVING the money!
But what right do they have to judge what others spend their money on?
It's not their money to judge!!