Harvard study: Pasteurized milk from industrial dairies linked to cancer

[tttppp]

You really aren't even worth the time for a proper response. Enjoy your lifestyle, I am going to go eat a big steak.

You're an idiot.

[Working Poor]

Americans eat too much and wrong. I am glad i quit using milk long ago.

[dannno]

You're an idiot.

To be fair, you were responding to an attack, but try not to get upset or banned over a food thread. There are a lot of people here who advocate the paleo diet and have had great success losing weight and increasing energy. The paleo diet encourages people to eat natural, grass-fed, no additives, organic, etc.. just no grains. Others like me insist that whole grains can be incorporated into a healthy vegetarian diet.

I have a thread that I think does a pretty good job debunking some of the claims from those on the paleo diet:

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthr...tarch-Solution

I'm almost completely vegetarian, except for occasional rare exceptions. I do it for health reasons. But I also tend to think that some people's systems are designed to eat meat (I don' think mine is), but that the best animals are non-predator animals that are hard to catch (i.e. fish, venison, elk, birds, etc.)

I'm not quite sure yet, the more I research health and food the more I realize I don't know

[tttppp]

To be fair, you were responding to an attack, but try not to get upset or banned over a food thread. There are a lot of people here who advocate the paleo diet and have had great success losing weight and increasing energy. The paleo diet encourages people to eat natural, grass-fed, no additives, organic, etc.. just no grains. Others like me insist that whole grains can be incorporated into a healthy vegetarian diet.

I have a thread that I think does a pretty good job debunking some of the claims from those on the paleo diet:

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthr...tarch-Solution

I'm almost completely vegetarian, except for occasional rare exceptions. I do it for health reasons. But I also tend to think that some people's systems are designed to eat meat (I don' think mine is), but that the best animals are non-predator animals that are hard to catch (i.e. fish, venison, elk, birds, etc.)

I'm not quite sure yet, the more I research health and food the more I realize I don't know

Generally the greater the percentage of your diet that comes from plants, the better off you are. I don't know why many people are so against grains. Common sense would tell you that grains are healthier than a fatty piece of beef or pork.

[DanConway]

Chicken, fish, or turkey are good for you. Red meat is bad for you. All animal fat is bad for you, including butter. Eating fat because it has omega 3 is completely idiotic. If you have to eat some fat, use vegetable oil.

It doesn't matter whether fat is saturated or not. What matters is where the fat came from. Inflammation markers have nothing to do with which fats are ok for you.

"Vegetable oil" is fake food with a fake name. Do you think cottonseed, soybeans, rapeseed, or corn are vegetables? Oil from them was never produced before modern industrial solvents were developed. Real food that has been consumed for hundreds or thousands of years (for fats: olive oil, palm oil, coconut oil, butter, animal fats from animals fed a biologically appropriate diet) is the way to go.

Claiming that the origin of fat, not its composition, is what matters is more laughable nonsense. What part of your body knows if the oleic acid it's processing came from olive oil or lard?

Generally the greater the percentage of your diet that comes from plants, the better off you are. I don't know why many people are so against grains. Common sense would tell you that grains are healthier than a fatty piece of beef or pork.

What "common sense" tells you that? Meat is more nutrient-dense than grains by a longshot, and it's an even more ridiculous gap when you get into organ meats, which every animal-eating traditional culture (so virtually all of them), considered a delicacy at least, sacred at most.

I'm not against grains (many healthy traditional cultures used grains, but many did not), but you're against meat. Why?

[wrestlingwes_8]

EVERYONE should watch this documentary: A Beautiful Truth

"Let food be thy medicine and medicine by thy food" ~Hippocrates (The "Father of Medicine")

Don't get me wrong I absolutely love to eat a good bison burger or steak but people today eat waaaay too much meat. Meat used to be considered somewhat of a delicacy since not many people could afford to buy it every single day. Then one day, along came our good friend (*sarcasm) Monsanto with it's GMO corn. The very same people that brought us other wonderful products such as DDT and Agent Orange, but I digress. Plus, with the addition of government subsides and CAFOs (factory farming) we then saw the price of meat, in particular beef, drop dramatically. So not only are people eating more meat than they should, the said meat (if you want to call it that) is horrifically terrible for you.

I myself will probably never be 100% vegetarian but every day I do try to eat less meat and more VEGETABLES. If you still hold meat with such high esteem and must eat it every day, I suggest, as others in previous posts have, to eat ONLY grass fed animals; preferably bison, turkey, venison, or fish. Another positive is that bison tastes ten times better than beef while being better for you! It is still beyond me why more ranchers haven't switched from cattle to bison recently. Cattle are not native to this continent and it shows! Ranchers are constantly vaccinating them to try and treat different diseases and infections, they are constantly feeding them during the winter in the northern climates, they are constantly dealing with calving problems, and they are constantly moving them from pasture to pasture since cattle do not utilize or manage the vegetation very well at all (they hang around water sources which results in overgrazing in one area and under-grazing in another). Cattle fit much better where they evolved, in the milder, wetter climates of areas such as the United Kingdom and France. Bison, on the other hand, have it figured out! They can go longer periods without water, so all areas of a pasture get utilized equally, they do not have near the amount of birthing problems, they do not need feed during the winter months unless the snow becomes too deep (they use their big heads as a huge shovel to dig down to the grass below), and they stay much healthier. Nature has it figured out people! It just amazes me whenever silly humans think they can do better whatever nature has already perfected.

That all being said, eat more VEGETABLES and FRUITS along with smaller portions of good kinds of meat. By the way, this is all coming from a person who, no more than 2 years ago, used to refer to anything other than meat, potatoes and bread as "rabbit food". Once you change your eating habits and force yourself to eat those "nasty" vegetables, you'll be amazed at how quick your taste buds change! I had never even finished a whole salad until about 6 months ago simply because it tasted gross to me. Now, I eat at least one salad every day and I'm even starting to enjoy it! Trust me, taste is merely perception which can be changed at any time! So don't be afraid of being ridiculed by friends and family because you'll have the last laugh when you live a longer, healthier life!

[tttppp]

"Vegetable oil" is fake food with a fake name. Do you think cottonseed, soybeans, rapeseed, or corn are vegetables? Oil from them was never produced before modern industrial solvents were developed. Real food that has been consumed for hundreds or thousands of years (for fats: olive oil, palm oil, coconut oil, butter, animal fats from animals fed a biologically appropriate diet) is the way to go.

Claiming that the origin of fat, not its composition, is what matters is more laughable nonsense. What part of your body knows if the oleic acid it's processing came from olive oil or lard?

There is a big difference between olive oil and lard. You're body can process olive oil naturally, while lard gets stuck in your system.

I get these opinions from practitioners who have actually healed people. They know from experience that your body cannot handle lard because they have had to heal people who screwed up their bodies by eating lard. Do you get your opinions from someone who actually heals people? Have you ever even met someone who heals people for a living?

[donnay]

There is a big difference between olive oil and lard. You're body can process olive oil naturally, while lard gets stuck in your system.

I get these opinions from practitioners who have actually healed people. They know from experience that your body cannot handle lard because they have had to heal people who screwed up their bodies by eating lard. Do you get your opinions from someone who actually heals people? Have you ever even met someone who heals people for a living?

Olive oil is really only good cold or at room temp. It is not good and becomes toxic when you heat it. You get too many free radicals in your system you are going to have a major problem.

[DanConway]

There is a big difference between olive oil and lard. You're body can process olive oil naturally, while lard gets stuck in your system.

That's false. Lard does not get "stuck in your system" so stop asserting falsehoods.

Humans were singlehandedly responsible for hunting a whole lot of big mammals to extinction toward the end of the last Ice Age. Why, then, do you think that humans cannot assimilate the fat of mammals?

I get these opinions from practitioners who have actually healed people. They know from experience that your body cannot handle lard because they have had to heal people who screwed up their bodies by eating lard. Do you get your opinions from someone who actually heals people? Have you ever even met someone who heals people for a living?

You do not actually know what my body can or cannot handle. Do you think Okinawans, one of the longest-lived groups in the world, can handle lard?

I get many of my facts from someone who found many groups of people who did not need someone to heal them: Weston A. Price. Quite a few of the traditional cultures he documented ate plenty of animal fat and showed no evidence of heart disease or any other modern lifestyle diseases.

I am not a dietary dogmatist; unless you maintain that a whole lot of people are outright liars it's impossible to be one. Some people have cured themselves of incurable diseases with a vegan diet; some have done it with an all-meat diet. We don't understand the human body anywhere near as well as we think we do.

I do know people who successfully heal for a living, and I don't mean people you can readily dismiss as dogmatic allopaths.

[Kluge]

Cats eat only meat, and they're quite healthy (the wild ones, anyways.)

I think the key is finding what foods work for you and exercising a lot. Nobody really knows what diet our ancestors ate consistently (and it varies from region to region), but we do all know that we had to do a heck of a lot more sweating to get it.

That said, I am amazed that tttppp isn't up on a lot of the not-so recent research about butter/ghee being far superior to heavily processed margarines/vegetable oils and grass-fed beef actually being good for you. Fish, and fish oils (an animal fat) are very good for you , so long as you take care not to consume that which is high in mercury.

I like variety, myself. I had a couple of weeks where I couldn't mess up the kitchen and cook my own food, and I pretty much just wanted to stop eating after a couple days. I don't know how people can eat processed crap so much.