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    Harvard study: Pasteurized milk from industrial dairies linked to cancer

    Harvard study: Pasteurized milk from industrial dairies linked to cancer

    Jonathan Benson
    Natural News
    Monday, February 27, 2012

    The truth has once again shaken the foundation of the ‘American Tower of Babel’ that is mainstream science, with a new study out of Harvard University showing that pasteurized milk product from factory farms is linked to causing hormone-dependent cancers. It turns out that the concentrated animal feeding operations (CAFO) model of raising cows on factory farms churns out milk with dangerously high levels of estrone sulfate, an estrogen compound linked to testicular, prostate, and breast cancers.



    Dr. Ganmaa Davaasambuu, Ph.D., and her colleagues specifically identified “milk from modern dairy farms” as the culprit, referring to large-scale confinement operations where cows are milked 300 days of the year, including while they are pregnant. Compared to raw milk from her native Mongolia, which is extracted only during the first six months after cows have already given birth, pasteurized factory milk was found to contain up to 33 times more estrone sulfate.

    Evaluating data from all over the world, Dr. Davaasambuu and her colleagues identified a clear link between consumption of such high-hormone milk, and high rates of hormone-dependent cancers. In other words, contrary to what theU.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention(CDC), theU.S. Department of Agriculture(USDA), and the conventional milk lobby would have you believe, processed milk from factory farms is not a health product, and is directly implicated in causing cancer.

    “The milk we drink today is quite unlike the milk our ancestors were drinking” without apparent harm for 2,000 years, Dr. Davaasambuu is quoted as saying in theHarvard University Gazette. “The milk we drink today may not be nature’s perfect food.”

    Meanwhile, raw, grass-fed, organic milk from cows milked at the proper times is linked to improving digestion, healing autoimmune disorders, and boosting overall immunity, which can help prevent cancer. Though you will never hear any of this from the mainstream media, all milk is not the same — the way a cow is raised, when it is milked, and how its milk is handled and processed makes all the difference in whether or not the end product promotes health or death.

    American government seeks to further perpetuate the lie that all milk is the same with egregious new provisions in 2012 Farm Bill

    Of particular concern are new provisions in the 2012 Farm Bill that create even more incentives for farmers to produce the lowest quality, and most health-destroying, type of milk possible. Rather than incentivize grazing cows on pastures, which allows them to feed on grass, a native food that their systems can process, the government would rather incentivize confined factory farming methods that force cows to eat genetically-modified (GM) corn and other feed, which makes them sick.

    As it currently stands, the government already provides incentives for farmers to stop pasturing their animals, instead confining them in cages as part of a Total Confinement Dairy Model, aka factory farms. But the 2012 Farm Bill will take this a step further by outlawing “component pricing” for milk, which involves allowing farmers to sell milk with higher protein and butterfat at a higher price.

    Allowing farmers to sell higher quality milk at a higher price provides an incentive for them to improve the living conditions on their farms, and milk better cow breeds. But the U.S. government would rather standardize all milk as being the same, and create a system where farmers continue to produce cancer-causing milk from sick cows for the millions of children to drink.

    To learn more, visit:
    http://www.anh-usa.org/healthy-milk-what-is-it/

    Sources for this article include:

    http://www.anh-usa.org/healthy-milk-what-is-it/

    http://news.harvard.edu/gazette/2006.../11-dairy.html

    http://www.naturalnews.com/035039_ra...rized_CDC.html



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    So this is why pasteurized milk is legal.
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    Quote Originally Posted by libertyfanatic View Post
    So this is why pasteurized milk is legal.
    Yes sir.
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    Quote Originally Posted by libertyfanatic View Post
    So this is why pasteurized milk is legal.
    Because the government says so.

    It's also legal to put toxic substances into the water system like - I dunno- fluoride which is nothing more than industrial waste.

    It's also legal to grow crops with pesticides that kills all sorts of bugs but is some how safe for humans to ingest.

    It's also legal for Bill Gates and Rockefeller to develop GMO seeds (Monsanto) that causes many health problems for humans like sterilization for population control, cancers, etc.

    I am not shocked at all by this Harvard study but it does suggest skim milk as estrogen is found in fats. Although, I read some companies fortify their milk with powered skim which isn't necessarily healthy either.
    Last edited by Liberty74; 02-27-2012 at 07:25 PM.
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    Milk is bad for you regardless of how its produced.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tttppp View Post
    Milk is bad for you regardless of how its produced.
    Haven't heard this before. Can you explain?
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    Quote Originally Posted by libertyfanatic View Post
    Haven't heard this before. Can you explain?
    If you are familiar with chinese traditional medicine, anything from cows or any four legged animals causes heat when you eat. When you get overheated, you can cause many health problems. This is assuming the milk is skim milk. Eating the fat from animals will cause far more problems. You can't just burn off fat from animals. It gets stuck in your system.

    Most people are familiar with the term lactose intolerant. What that means is that that particular group of people cannot digest dairy. The people who are not lactose intolerant also have health problems from dairy, but their problems are not from their digestive system.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tttppp View Post
    If you are familiar with chinese traditional medicine, anything from cows or any four legged animals causes heat when you eat. When you get overheated, you can cause many health problems. This is assuming the milk is skim milk. Eating the fat from animals will cause far more problems. You can't just burn off fat from animals. It gets stuck in your system.

    Most people are familiar with the term lactose intolerant. What that means is that that particular group of people cannot digest dairy. The people who are not lactose intolerant also have health problems from dairy, but their problems are not from their digestive system.
    I'm going to have to disagree with you and say that fat from animals is the BEST source of energy for a human and you are meant to burn it. Also, lactose intolerance is an inability to digest the sugar in milk. Fermented dairy is not a problem as there is no lactose present.
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    Quote Originally Posted by noxagol View Post
    I'm going to have to disagree with you and say that fat from animals is the BEST source of energy for a human and you are meant to burn it. Also, lactose intolerance is an inability to digest the sugar in milk. Fermented dairy is not a problem as there is no lactose present.
    Agreed. I think we've been through this discussion before.... People have been consuming milk (and other animal products) for a very long time. Of course, not everyone has the same blood type and genetic makeup; however, milk is nothing new... chemicals are.
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    Quote Originally Posted by noxagol View Post
    I'm going to have to disagree with you and say that fat from animals is the BEST source of energy for a human and you are meant to burn it. Also, lactose intolerance is an inability to digest the sugar in milk. Fermented dairy is not a problem as there is no lactose present.
    Animal fats are about the worse thing you can eat. Thats right up their with eating harmful chemicals. If its energy you're after, eat rice or beans. Any fat you make from rice or beans will burn off if you want. Animal fats will not go away unless you take the right herbs to clean them out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by noxagol View Post
    I'm going to have to disagree with you and say that fat from animals is the BEST source of energy for a human and you are meant to burn it. Also, lactose intolerance is an inability to digest the sugar in milk. Fermented dairy is not a problem as there is no lactose present.
    I agree with you as well. Animal fat is excellent for you, it is the hydrolyzed fat and things they have to add to milk after the pasteurization process that is very bad for people.

    Also people who are sensitive to MSG need to make pay attention to the fact that they add things into pasteurized milks. Raw milk products people like myself who are highly sensitive to MSG do not have any problems.

    "Low fat and no fat milk products often contain milk solids that contain MSG and many dairy products contain carrageenan, guar gum, and/or locust bean gum. Low fat and no fat versions of ice cream and cheese may not be as obvious as yogurt, milk, cream, cream cheese, cottage cheese, etc., but they are not exceptions."

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    Quote Originally Posted by tttppp View Post
    If you are familiar with chinese traditional medicine, anything from cows or any four legged animals causes heat when you eat. When you get overheated, you can cause many health problems. This is assuming the milk is skim milk. Eating the fat from animals will cause far more problems. You can't just burn off fat from animals. It gets stuck in your system.

    Most people are familiar with the term lactose intolerant. What that means is that that particular group of people cannot digest dairy. The people who are not lactose intolerant also have health problems from dairy, but their problems are not from their digestive system.
    Not at all. The lipid hypothesis is dead and should never have existed in the first place (Ancel Keys was a liar who cherry-picked his data). Animal fat is essential to human health; no healthy traditional society was without it.

    Claiming that fat from animals "gets stuck in your system" is laughable unscientific garbage. How would that even happen? Not to mention that skim milk never existed before the 20th century and would have been roundly rejected anytime before the recent low-fat craze.

    Real milk is perfectly fine for people who are lactose-tolerant; even lactose-intolerant people can often consume cheese, yogurt, and small amounts of raw milk.
    Last edited by DanConway; 02-27-2012 at 07:06 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DanConway View Post
    Not at all. The lipid hypothesis is dead and should never have existed in the first place (Ancel Keys was a liar who cherry-picked his data). Animal fat is essential to human health; no healthy traditional society was without it.

    Claiming that fat from animals "gets stuck in your system" is laughable unscientific garbage. How would that even happen? Not to mention that skim milk never existed before the 20th century and would have been roundly rejected anytime before the recent low-fat craze.

    Real milk is perfectly fine for people who are lactose-tolerant; even lactose-intolerant people can often consume cheese, yogurt, and small amounts of raw milk.
    Having clogged arteries is one example of animal fats not leaving your system. Thats not laughable. The vast majority of health problems in the U.S. and other European countries comes from eating animal fats, and meat from four legged animals.

    If you have ever been to a chinese restaurant, you would notice that the meat is relatively fat free and none of the meals have dairy in them. This is why people in China are much healthier than people in the U.S. They don't base their diets on eating animal fats like the idiots from America and European countries.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tttppp View Post
    Milk is bad for you regardless of how its produced.
    Actually raw milk helps kids with asthma and allergies. Pasteurized factory farm milk worsens asthma and allergies in children.

    Raw milk contains beneficial bacteria, like yogurt, which aids in digestive health. Pasteurized milk causes most of the world's population to have digestive issues, widely believed to be related to "lactose intolerance".

    HOWEVER... many people who believe they are lactose intolerant have no problems digesting raw milk products.

    I think the problem is our modern factory farm system, I haven't seen evidence that it is the milk.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dannno View Post
    Actually raw milk helps kids with asthma and allergies. Pasteurized factory farm milk worsens asthma and allergies in children.

    Raw milk contains beneficial bacteria, like yogurt, which aids in digestive health. Pasteurized milk causes most of the world's population to have digestive issues, widely believed to be related to "lactose intolerance".

    HOWEVER... many people who believe they are lactose intolerant have no problems digesting raw milk products.

    I think the problem is our modern factory farm system, I haven't seen evidence that it is the milk.
    Pasturization does nothing to the lactose in milk. If your body can't process pasturized milk you will have the same problems with raw milk.


    http://grist.org/food/2010-11-01-raw...doesnt-reduce/
    In a just-completed study out of Stanford Medical School, Christopher Gardner, an associate professor of medicine, concludes, “The data fail to support our hypothesis that Raw Milk confers some benefit over Pasteurized Milk in the form of an improvement in the experience of symptoms of lactose intolerant adults.”

    At the same time, though, the study raises important questions about just how widespread real lactose intolerance is, suggesting it may be far less prevalent than the FDA and other public health observers have long assumed.

    As for the new study, conducted earlier this year, participants went through three eight-day phases during which they consumed pasteurized milk, raw milk, and soy milk. Gardner notes that “the severity of the symptoms was virtually identical for the raw vs. pasteurized milk, while the symptoms of the soy milk were quite a bit, and statistically significantly, lower.”
    http://www.livestrong.com/article/44...ance-raw-milk/
    Milk Myths
    You might have heard that raw milk is "real" -- and consequently, that pasteurized and homogenized milk is somehow altered or unnatural. This is not true. The homogenization process doesn't change the milk in the least. Pasteurization removes most of the bacteria that can cause serious illness -- Listeria, for instance -- but doesn't alter the nutrient content. While pasteurization can affect the activity of some of the enzymes in milk, you neither need nor can use enzymes from other organisms. Further, your stomach immediately destroys the enzymes in raw milk because of its acidity, since as Drs. Reginald Garrett and Charles Grisham explain in their book "Biochemistry," enzymes are very acid sensitive.

    Lactose Intolerance
    Lactose intolerance results from an inability to produce sufficient quantities of the enzyme lactase, which your small intestine uses to break down milk sugar, explains Dr. Lauralee Sherwood in her book "Human Physiology." One of the most prevalent myths about lactose intolerance is that it's quite common, and that any gastric upset upon drinking milk is due to lactose intolerance. Actually, lactose intolerance is relatively rare among healthy children and adults of European descent, though it's slightly more prevalent in some other ethnic groups.

    Other Myths
    Another common misconception regarding lactose intolerance is that you can treat it with pineapple or papaya enzymes. You can take one enzyme -- lactase -- to help you digest the lactose in milk, but this doesn't treat your condition. Supplemental lactase helps you digest lactose for only a very short period of time, so you must take it before each lactose-containing meal. Other enzymes do nothing to help you digest lactose, nor can they treat lactose intolerance.



    Read more: http://www.livestrong.com/article/44...#ixzz1ndr1hPJj
    Last edited by Zippyjuan; 02-27-2012 at 09:01 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    Pasturization does nothing to the lactose in milk. If your body can't process pasturized milk you will have the same problems with raw milk.
    I didn't say that raw milk has no lactose, I just said that people who are "lactose intolerant" seem to only have problems with pasteurized milk products.

    My guess would be that something is being killed off in the process of pasteurization that helps the body digest the lactose.
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    Not sure who to believe...
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    Since I have known about RBST I have always bought AltaDena brand as it had on its label. "Not produced from cows with RBST". I just recently noticed the label has changed to "Our farmers PROMISE not to use RBST".

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    Did anyone read the study, how it was conducted and what it found?


    One study compared diet and cancer rates in 42 counties. It showed that milk and cheese consumption are strongly correlated to the incidence of testicular cancer among men ages 20 to 39. Rates were highest in places like Switzerland and Denmark, where cheese is a national food, and lowest in Algeria and other countries where dairy is not so widely consumed.
    That's not exactly an exhaustive study, which I'd expect given the bombastic claims laid out in the OP's article.

    That said, I don't see how anyone could believe that milk -especially factory-farm milk- should be consumed in large quantities. Everything in moderation.
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    I'm pretty sure transfats and HFCS are the main things that are causing health problems these days along with some other additives, but also beef and pigs, cornfed in particular.

    I think venison and bison are much more healthful options, but grass fed beef is probably ok in moderation, and depending on what your ancestors tended to eat more of (grains + fruits + veggies + dairy or meat + fruit + veggies + dairy)
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    Americans eat too much and wrong. I am glad i quit using milk long ago.

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    EVERYONE should watch this documentary: A Beautiful Truth

    "Let food be thy medicine and medicine by thy food" ~Hippocrates (The "Father of Medicine")

    Don't get me wrong I absolutely love to eat a good bison burger or steak but people today eat waaaay too much meat. Meat used to be considered somewhat of a delicacy since not many people could afford to buy it every single day. Then one day, along came our good friend (*sarcasm) Monsanto with it's GMO corn. The very same people that brought us other wonderful products such as DDT and Agent Orange, but I digress. Plus, with the addition of government subsides and CAFOs (factory farming) we then saw the price of meat, in particular beef, drop dramatically. So not only are people eating more meat than they should, the said meat (if you want to call it that) is horrifically terrible for you.

    I myself will probably never be 100% vegetarian but every day I do try to eat less meat and more VEGETABLES. If you still hold meat with such high esteem and must eat it every day, I suggest, as others in previous posts have, to eat ONLY grass fed animals; preferably bison, turkey, venison, or fish. Another positive is that bison tastes ten times better than beef while being better for you! It is still beyond me why more ranchers haven't switched from cattle to bison recently. Cattle are not native to this continent and it shows! Ranchers are constantly vaccinating them to try and treat different diseases and infections, they are constantly feeding them during the winter in the northern climates, they are constantly dealing with calving problems, and they are constantly moving them from pasture to pasture since cattle do not utilize or manage the vegetation very well at all (they hang around water sources which results in overgrazing in one area and under-grazing in another). Cattle fit much better where they evolved, in the milder, wetter climates of areas such as the United Kingdom and France. Bison, on the other hand, have it figured out! They can go longer periods without water, so all areas of a pasture get utilized equally, they do not have near the amount of birthing problems, they do not need feed during the winter months unless the snow becomes too deep (they use their big heads as a huge shovel to dig down to the grass below), and they stay much healthier. Nature has it figured out people! It just amazes me whenever silly humans think they can do better whatever nature has already perfected.

    That all being said, eat more VEGETABLES and FRUITS along with smaller portions of good kinds of meat. By the way, this is all coming from a person who, no more than 2 years ago, used to refer to anything other than meat, potatoes and bread as "rabbit food". Once you change your eating habits and force yourself to eat those "nasty" vegetables, you'll be amazed at how quick your taste buds change! I had never even finished a whole salad until about 6 months ago simply because it tasted gross to me. Now, I eat at least one salad every day and I'm even starting to enjoy it! Trust me, taste is merely perception which can be changed at any time! So don't be afraid of being ridiculed by friends and family because you'll have the last laugh when you live a longer, healthier life!
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    Cats eat only meat, and they're quite healthy (the wild ones, anyways.)

    I think the key is finding what foods work for you and exercising a lot. Nobody really knows what diet our ancestors ate consistently (and it varies from region to region), but we do all know that we had to do a heck of a lot more sweating to get it.

    That said, I am amazed that tttppp isn't up on a lot of the not-so recent research about butter/ghee being far superior to heavily processed margarines/vegetable oils and grass-fed beef actually being good for you. Fish, and fish oils (an animal fat) are very good for you , so long as you take care not to consume that which is high in mercury.

    I like variety, myself. I had a couple of weeks where I couldn't mess up the kitchen and cook my own food, and I pretty much just wanted to stop eating after a couple days. I don't know how people can eat processed crap so much.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kluge View Post
    Cats eat only meat, and they're quite healthy (the wild ones, anyways.)
    Not really a good argument -- it's as bad as "elephants eat only vegetation and they're huge". Humans are not cats, nor are they elephants.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kluge View Post
    I think the key is finding what foods work for you and exercising a lot. Nobody really knows what diet our ancestors ate consistently (and it varies from region to region), but we do all know that we had to do a heck of a lot more sweating to get it.

    That said, I am amazed that tttppp isn't up on a lot of the not-so recent research about butter/ghee being far superior to heavily processed margarines/vegetable oils and grass-fed beef actually being good for you. Fish, and fish oils (an animal fat) are very good for you , so long as you take care not to consume that which is high in mercury.

    I like variety, myself. I had a couple of weeks where I couldn't mess up the kitchen and cook my own food, and I pretty much just wanted to stop eating after a couple days. I don't know how people can eat processed crap so much.
    I agree with exercise, and not understanding how people can live on processed crap. Well, the human body is very resilient, and the human mind is very adaptable.

    It shouldn't have come as a surprise to anyone that real food is better for you than something invented in a lab to get rid of excess subsidized seed oils, but it does show how far away people manage to get from real wisdom about what is good to eat.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DanConway View Post
    Not really a good argument -- it's as bad as "elephants eat only vegetation and they're huge". Humans are not cats, nor are they elephants.
    It was meant to be somewhat tongue-in-cheek, as an example that you can't make blanket generalizations about what is good and what is bad for all people all the time. Unless it's something along the lines of rat poison.

    There are people who are deathly allergic to fish, which is very healthy for most people. Why is it such a stretch to consider that it's good for some people to eat a lot of meat, and not so good for others? Same with eggs, peanuts, milk, etc. There is a spectrum, and people have to experiment and research their racial heritage to figure out what parts of the world they're from--or just start from scratch if they're total mutts.

    The brain mostly consists of fats, and there's some pretty good research out there that hypothesizes that we jumped in cognitive abilities due to the fats in fish (along with other factors.) So for people to say that animal fats are bad across the board is 1980's government lobbyist-type thinking. In my opinion, of course.
    Well, I got Rand started on his campaign (just search around here to see). I advised Thomas Massie before he ran for Congress. I am currently advising 2 liberty campaigns for the state legislature. I ran the war-room and won Minnesota for Ron Paul a few weeks back. There are other things I'm probably forgetting.
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    You must forgive me, Kluge. I've seen militant vegans advance one like the one I mentioned in all seriousness, so I couldn't tell.

  33. #29
    Quote Originally Posted by Kluge View Post
    Cats eat only meat, and they're quite healthy (the wild ones, anyways.)

    I think the key is finding what foods work for you and exercising a lot. Nobody really knows what diet our ancestors ate consistently (and it varies from region to region), but we do all know that we had to do a heck of a lot more sweating to get it.

    That said, I am amazed that tttppp isn't up on a lot of the not-so recent research about butter/ghee being far superior to heavily processed margarines/vegetable oils and grass-fed beef actually being good for you. Fish, and fish oils (an animal fat) are very good for you , so long as you take care not to consume that which is high in mercury.

    I like variety, myself. I had a couple of weeks where I couldn't mess up the kitchen and cook my own food, and I pretty much just wanted to stop eating after a couple days. I don't know how people can eat processed crap so much.
    When did I ever say margarine or any processed foods are good for you?

    Fish fat is not good for you either. This is just some bs made up by western doctors who by the way have never cured anyone. To date western medicine has spent trillions of dollars and has yet to develop one cure. Why should I believe some bs study that says fish oil is good for you. A year from now they'll come up with some study that says fish oil is bad for you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tttppp View Post
    When did I ever say margarine or any processed foods are good for you?

    Fish fat is not good for you either. This is just some bs made up by western doctors who by the way have never cured anyone. To date western medicine has spent trillions of dollars and has yet to develop one cure. Why should I believe some bs study that says fish oil is good for you. A year from now they'll come up with some study that says fish oil is bad for you.
    You lie.

    Western Medicine brought smallpox, scourge of the Old World, genocider of the New, to extinction. That is better than a cure -- ever hear the saying about an ounce of prevention? It's brought polio close to extinction. It has defused the unholy terror of rabies. It is the best by a light-year at dealing with acute infections.

    I get a lot of my information from Weston A. Price (a Cleveland dentist -- oh noes!) and his magnum opus -- Nutrition and Physical Degeneration, in which he traveled the world documenting isolated groups living on traditional diets who had excellent dental health -- and excellent physical and mental health as well. It's out of copyright in Australia, so have a look: http://gutenberg.net.au/ebooks02/0200251h.html -- open your mind to the variety of diets that humans can be wonderfully healthy on.

    But anyway, the fact that you dismiss out-of-hand that the Okinawans are long-lived and frequently consume lard, and have done so traditionally, both of which are well-documented, shows that you are not debating in good faith. Answer either part of that with facts, not assertions, or drop your claim that lard is inherently destructive to human beings.

    Oh, and you said nothing whatsoever about processed foods. Kluge added that as an aside. Not everyone is talking about you all the time.
    Last edited by DanConway; 02-29-2012 at 07:29 AM.

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