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    FBI deactivates about 3,000 GPS tracking devices after Supreme Court ruling

    Following a January ruling by the US Supreme Court, the FBI has deactivated some 3,000 GPS units that were potentially infringing on the Fourth Amendment. The decision seems to be making waves in the U.S. Justice Department. Andrew Weissmann, FBI General Counsel, says some of the devices have been difficult to retrieve, as the vehicles they were once tracking now move undetected. The FBI has sought temporary permission to reactivate some of the devices to locate and retrieve the hardware. Weissmann says the FBI is also developing new guidelines regarding the legality of its agent's actions -- from the application and use of tracking devices, to the extent a suspect's garbage can be searched before the agent is committing trespass. In short, the FBI is working really hard not to violate your legal right to privacy. If you happen to find something weird under you car, give 'em a call. They'd probably like it back.
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    Score one for the individual.


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    FBI Turns Off Thousands of GPS Devices After Supreme Court Ruling

    http://blogs.wsj.com/digits/2012/02/...-court-ruling/

    The Supreme Court’s recent ruling overturning the warrantless use of GPS tracking devices has caused a “sea change” inside the U.S. Justice Department, according to FBI General Counsel Andrew Weissmann.

    Mr. Weissmann, speaking at a University of San Francisco conference called “Big Brother in the 21st Century” on Friday, said that the court ruling prompted the FBI to turn off about 3,000 GPS tracking devices that were in use.

    These devices were often stuck underneath cars to track the movements of the car owners. In U.S. v. Jones, the Supreme Court ruled that using a device to track a car owner without a search warrant violated the law.

    After the ruling, the FBI had a problem collecting the devices that it had turned off, Mr. Weissmann said. In some cases, he said, the FBI sought court orders to obtain permission to turn the devices on briefly – only in order to locate and retrieve them.

    Mr. Weissmann said that the FBI is now working to develop new guidelines for the use of GPS devices. He said the agency is also working on guidelines to cover the broader implications of the court decision beyond GPS devices.

    For instance, he said, agency is now “wrestling” with the legality of whether agents can lift up the lid of a trash can without committing trespass. The majority opinion in U.S. v. Jones held that the agents had trespassed when placing the GPS device on a car without warrant.

    He said the agency is also considering the implications of the concurring justices – whose arguments were largely based on the idea that a person has a reasonable expectation of privacy in the totality of their movements, even if those movements are in public.

    “From a law enforcement perspective, even though its not technically holding, we have to anticipate how it’s going to go down the road,” Mr. Weissmann said.
    Win for the 4th Amendment, Win for Privacy, but for how long?
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    Don't believe the FBI.

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    Doesn't stop the DHS from doing it though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ZanZibar View Post
    Don't believe the FBI.
    was my first thought.

    Any way to verify if they are actually OFF?

    and,,Are they out collecting the ones they planted?
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    Quote Originally Posted by pcosmar View Post
    Any way to verify if they are actually OFF?

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    Quote Originally Posted by pcosmar View Post
    was my first thought.

    Any way to verify if they are actually OFF?

    and,,Are they out collecting the ones they planted?
    Well, the article said for them to get them back, they'd have to "turn them back on". Pretty BS if you ask me.
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    The FAILURE of the United States Government to operate and maintain an
    Honest Money System , which frees the ordinary man from the clutches of the money manipulators, is the single largest contributing factor to the World's current Economic Crisis.

    The Elimination of Privacy is the Architecture of Genocide

    Belief, Money, and Violence are the three ways all people are controlled

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    Quote Originally Posted by DamianTV View Post
    Well, the article said for them to get them back, they'd have to "turn them back on". Pretty BS if you ask me.
    Yeah,, you would think they should know where they put them.

    I think they should have to disclose who, where, and allegedly why.
    And allow those who's rights were violated to respond with law suits of their own.
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    This is so surreal that I find it hard to believe.

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    How pathetic is it that our own Justice Department has obvious disdain for the rule of law? They are supposed to be enforcing the law!

    Get a warrant! It's not that hard, and it's the law.

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    physical surveillance should require a warrant too

    as in, tailing someone in order to monitor and record their actions.

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    FBI Turns Off Thousands of GPS Devices After Supreme Court Ruling

    http://blogs.wsj.com/digits/2012/02/...-court-ruling/

    The Supreme Court’s recent ruling overturning the warrantless use of GPS tracking devices has caused a “sea change” inside the U.S. Justice Department, according to FBI General Counsel Andrew Weissmann.

    Mr. Weissmann, speaking at a University of San Francisco conference called “Big Brother in the 21st Century” on Friday, said that the court ruling prompted the FBI to turn off about 3,000 GPS tracking devices that were in use.

    These devices were often stuck underneath cars to track the movements of the car owners. In U.S. v. Jones, the Supreme Court ruled that using a device to track a car owner without a search warrant violated the law.

    After the ruling, the FBI had a problem collecting the devices that it had turned off, Mr. Weissmann said. In some cases, he said, the FBI sought court orders to obtain permission to turn the devices on briefly – only in order to locate and retrieve them.

    Mr. Weissmann said that the FBI is now working to develop new guidelines for the use of GPS devices. He said the agency is also working on guidelines to cover the broader implications of the court decision beyond GPS devices.

    For instance, he said, agency is now “wrestling” with the legality of whether agents can lift up the lid of a trash can without committing trespass. The majority opinion in U.S. v. Jones held that the agents had trespassed when placing the GPS device on a car without warrant.

    He said the agency is also considering the implications of the concurring justices – whose arguments were largely based on the idea that a person has a reasonable expectation of privacy in the totality of their movements, even if those movements are in public.

    “From a law enforcement perspective, even though its not technically holding, we have to anticipate how it’s going to go down the road,” Mr. Weissmann said.

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    Bump for recent thread.
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