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Thread: Help me defeat this guys argument against Ron Paul

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    Default Help me defeat this guys argument against Ron Paul

    Hello, I have been a huge supporter of Ron Paul since first hearing him debate in 07. I have roamed this board in the past reading articles but never had a
    need to post anything, until now. I have been in an argument with this guy about Ron Paul "talking nonsense" and claiming to be a hypocrite when dealing
    with the tea party & occupy movements. I have tried all the basic arguments like how RP predicted the Iraq war, housing bubble burst, inflation, oil price
    increases, ect... I have also attempted to argue the roots of Occupy with its opposition to the bank bailout and Tea party with its opposition to excessive
    government spending are the same. I was hoping you guys could give me some help with how to respond to his last message.

    "The occupy movement wants more goverment regulation on banks higher taxes on the top 1 percent, and more spending on socal programs like education, and infastructure. The tea party wants to lower taxes on the top 1 percent, remove all goverment regulation of banks and business anc cut federal spending on infastructure and education
    They don't have allot in common. So when ron wants to audit the fed, and go after banks but cut back on the laws that regulate them he is just talking out of both sides of his mouth its funny he even disagees with him self at times. Hey may have some valid points at times but the rest is nonsense"

    Thanks for any help, maybe with a sound argument I may be able to convert this guy.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Jusenkyo View Post
    Thanks for any help, maybe with a sound argument I may be able to convert this guy.
    you cant convert willfully stupid.

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    you'd be better off getting him a girlfriend
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    it's true, polling shows the more you have gotten laid in your life the more likely you are to vote for Ron Paul
    “If ye love wealth greater than liberty, the tranquility of servitude greater than the animating contest for freedom, go home from us in peace. We seek not your counsel, nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you; May your chains set lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that ye were our countrymen.”

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    Does he think the banks pretty much own Congress? I'm assuming yes.

    Then what could possibly lead him to the conclusion that having Congress - that is owned by banks - regulate the banking industry is a good idea?

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    The only thing the big bankers want more than your money is more regulations to ensure that nobody else will get your money.
    "And now that the legislators and do-gooders have so futilely inflicted so many systems upon society, may they finally end where they should have begun: May they reject all systems, and try liberty; for liberty is an acknowledgment of faith in God and His works." - Bastiat

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    There is nothing inconsistent with eliminating the Fed and eliminating the government bailouts of the banks and at the same time eliminating government interference in the business of banks. On the one hand, Dr. Paul opposes giving banks special benefits - like bailouts and free Fed money - and on the other hand he opposes government interfering with banking business. Perfectly consistent. Bottom line, get government out of the economy. It is the other candidates that are inconsistent - talking about the free market in one breath and supporting bailouts with another.
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    Tell him banks dont need regulations if they are not getting free money from the federal reserve. The fed is the root of all these problems... The fed caused the housing bubble... The fed contributed a great deal to the great depression... And yet the attack is on business owners that create jobs and prosperity. The government spending is a problem as well... They are stealing from our future prosperity and compounding the problem more. Taxes and government spending destroy wealth and prosperity and ultimately lead to a lower standard of living for everyone. If he needs proof of that.... Look around.

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    2 Untrue points:
    1. Banks would have far tougher regulations under Ron Paul's true free market
    2. Ron would lower taxes for everyone. And while reducing the deficit.
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    It has already been shown the government entities in place to regulate the banks were asleep at the wheel. Why does your friend think we will safer with more government workers sleeping at the wheel?
    Insanity should be defined as trusting the government to solve a problem they caused in the first place. Please do not go insane!

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