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Last edited by aaroche26; 08-27-2012 at 07:13 PM.
Ron voted against restricting minors from traveling from one state to another to get an abortion when it came up a few years back. As if there's any way to find out why someone is traveling unless you devolve into a total and complete dictatorship. But I digress.
Last edited by aaroche26; 08-27-2012 at 07:13 PM.
You're fighting premature battles.
Besides the powers granted to our federal government by the constitution are quite clear.
I'll indulge your exercise a bit;
What if parents of promiscuous teenage girls all moved to one state that permitted abortions?
Don't you think there might just be a rash of boys following them?
Now....what if that state also refused to provide government housing/food/medical/education?
So now we have a rather large population of horny young people who need work in order to exist.
Ron Paul's actual abortion stance:
Ron Paul believes that the Constitution protects the right to life of all human beings. Ron Paul believes that from the moment of conception a new human is created, and therefore has the right to life.
Ron Paul supports a federal definition of life as beginning at conception. He has introduced the "Sanctity of Life Act" into the past 4 Congresses. The bill:
and:would have defined human life and legal personhood (specifically, natural personhood) as beginning at conception, "without regard to race, sex, age, health, defect, or condition of dependency."
Ron Paul believes that no state has the right to legalize the murder of the unborn, they are human beings and have the right to life. He does, however, believe that the federal government has no right to write and enforce the murder laws of each individual state. Current practise is for each state to pass their own murder laws, as they do with virtually all acts against violence, and enforce them themselves. This is what Ron Paul means by "leaving it to the states".would have amended the federal judicial code to remove Supreme Court and district court jurisdiction to review cases arising out of any statute, ordinance, rule, regulation, or practice, or any act interpreting such a measure, on the grounds that such measure: (1) protects the rights of human persons between conception and birth; or (2) prohibits, limits, or regulates the performance of abortions or the provision of public funds, facilities, personnel, or other assistance for abortions.
Ron Paul would not allow any state to legalize murder. The federal Constitution clearly defines the right to life of every human being, and in Ron Paul's opinion, that includes the unborn.
Anyway, Tim is right on Ron Paul's position. He would not allow murder to be legalized by any state. From the issue page on ronpaul2012.com
* Immediately saving lives by effectively repealing Roe v. Wade and preventing activist judges from interfering with state decisions on life by removing abortion from federal court jurisdiction through legislation modeled after his “We the People Act.”
* Defining life as beginning at conception by passing a “Sanctity of Life Act.”
Last edited by eduardo89; 02-22-2012 at 03:21 PM.
I can pull videos of him saying he wants no federal law, no amendment, and no federal involvement from this cycle, too. He tailors his answer for the audience. He even said he'd give a woman a shot of estrogen to prevent implantation after a rape, which would then make him guilty of murder by your definition.
Last edited by Feeding the Abscess; 02-22-2012 at 04:52 PM.
When life leaves us blind, love keeps us kind. - Linkin Park
From legal peeps:
Such legislative declarations are nonbinding statements of policy and are used by federal courts in the context of determining the intent of the legislature in legal challenges.
The purpose of the act is to completely sever the federal government from involvement in the issue.
Last edited by Feeding the Abscess; 03-05-2012 at 05:12 AM.
And why even bother bringing up ectopic pregnancy? If those are not removed te mother will almost surely die and there is no chance the child will ever live if the egg implants itself outside the uterus.
He says, as an OB doctor, he endorses the idea of birth control, stated in the most recent debate that he dealt with hormonal birth control for years as an OB doctor, and said to Piers Morgan that he'd give a shot of estrogen to a raped woman to prevent implantation. He also endorsed the morning after pill in Liberty Defined and in a debate during the summer.
I'm not stating all of this to undermine Ron Paul's pro-life stance, call him a murderer, etc. I'm stating all of this to show that clearly Ron Paul holds conflicting views on personhood and his medical practices. I have a very hard time believing that an OB doctor wouldn't understand the implications of personhood and hormonal birth control, so I'm left to conclude that his personhood signing statements are political gamesmanship.
Last edited by Feeding the Abscess; 03-05-2012 at 05:53 AM.
"Well, you don't know if you're taking a life" - Ron Paul
Also factor in the following, @36:45:
To wrap up, Ron's pretty clearly personally pro-life, but his political stance is not aligned with what pro-life groups advocate. When talking to pro-lifers, discuss Ron's personal stance, as he typically does in interviews, and back that up with his idea to strip federal courts of jurisdiction as a way to achieve fewer abortions; when talking to pro-choicers, play up his statements like the one found in the video above, and buttress it with the quotes from Liberty Defined, like:
andThis is a profound issue to be determined by society itself based on the moral value it espouses.
So if we are ever to have fewer abortions, society must change again. The law will not accomplish that.
Last edited by Feeding the Abscess; 03-05-2012 at 05:37 PM.
I think it boils down to the quote you ^ provided:
He also said something like this: "The law does not influence the morality of the people. The morality of the people will reflect on this issue/on what's right."So if we are ever to have fewer abortions, society must change again. The law will not accomplish that.
The more localized the government, the more people become involved in the issues. I'm not sure about amendments so I can't comment on that, but he has stated many, many times during debates and perhaps in a few interviews that the states should decide whether to legalize abortion... just as with any other moral issue. Murder, rape, and so on are handled on the state level. Abortion is a particularly tricky issue, but I can give you good reasons why it shouldn't be regulated on the federal level:
1) Banning it across the board will not influence the morality of the people as stated before; women will still get abortions, and seek out unsafe methods to do so
2) Banning or legalizing it across the board will make half the nation unhappy with that kind of national, moral jurisdiction. It'd be near impossible to overturn something that I think is immoral if it's legislated on the federal level. So, while many women are happy to have the choice available to them, I am unhappy that the unborn are silenced by their own mothers. A fetus is an individual entity with its DNA as the biological proof. The mother owns her body, but not her unborn child's body and so she should not feel compelled to do as she pleases with the innocent fetus.
And on the morning-after pill for rape victims, I don't see anything wrong with Ron Paul's views on that. You can't legislate against the pill if you can't detect and prove that a zygote had formed. The crime would be silly: "Arrested because there may or may not have been an innocent life that formed" ... and what if there WAS no life? Then it was not a crime, and we'd be punishing women for committing nothing wrong.
My personal belief is that I don't condone the morning-after pill, but that's not to say it should be criminalized. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think Paul is essentially saying the same.