Yes, I am serious.Originally Posted by LibertyEagle
Tell me how I am wrong. Tell me what is wrong or bad about unemployment other than not having money. Or better yet, tell me what is good or right about employment other than making money.
Yes, I am serious.
Tell me how I am wrong. Tell me what is wrong or bad about unemployment other than not having money. Or better yet, tell me what is good or right about employment other than making money.
Last edited by Tpoints; 12-05-2012 at 08:30 PM.
I would bet most of the "Made in America" stuff has a LOT of parts that are made in Japan/China/etc.
But there's nothing wrong with buying America if you believe that 'Merica can give you a better product (which is in many cases true... but this definitely does not stand as a general rule).
Last edited by bxm042; 12-05-2012 at 08:58 PM.
The Matrix is a system, Neo. That system is our enemy. But when you're inside, you look around, what do you see? Businessmen, teachers, lawyers, carpenters. The very minds of the people we are trying to save. But until we do, these people are still a part of that system and that makes them our enemy. You have to understand, most of these people are not ready to be unplugged. And many of them are so inured, so hopelessly dependent on the system, that they will fight to protect it.
Epic fail. Innovation and automation create jobs. Those power tools that replaced the hammer and hand saw that carpenters use made his work more efficient, lowering cost and creating more demand for his services. Jobs were created in the design, developement, manufacture and sales of those power tools. Someone had to produce the tool and die equipment used in the manufacturing process of the power tools. Some one had to get electrical current to the job site. Someone had to produce the electricity. While some jobs may disappear, for example, hand filing the teeth on a hand saw blade. More are created to replace the obsolete job. Obama used your argument claiming the atm machine is costing bank tellers their jobs. He does not consider the jobs created in making the atm machines or repairing them or the software used in them or that some one must stock them. Read the chapter "The Curse of Machinery" in "Economics In One Lesson" by Henry Hazlitt. Of course if you are upset over the buggy builder losing his job then yes we should out law automobiles.
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By your logic, unemployment never happens, it's just one industry replaced by another. You are assuming that machines always need repair or the cost of repair will always justifies hiring people. You assume that having an ATM employs as many people as it unemploys, it doesn't! How often do you see an ATM being repaired, stocked and re-designed? Probably less than once a year if not less than once in 5 years. Compare that to a teller who works part time for just one year.
"More are created to replace the obsolete job." So why would there EVER be unemployment? Let me guess? Taxes? Taxes employs collectors. Outsourcing? Outsourcing employs transportation and shipment people. You know the obvious answer, NOT more are created.
Last edited by Tpoints; 12-05-2012 at 10:14 PM.
I'm sure people have been arguing this since the invention of wheel. Think about what happened to all those people who made a living carrying stuff from town to town by foot with the invention of the horse and carriage!!!
By your argument, employment should have been steadily declining since the start of the industrial revolution. It's an argument that's been continuously repeated yet has no factual basis behind it.
Hell, there are many places in Africa that has very little innovation and automation, Employment must be through the roof over there.
Yes, employment HAS been steadily declining since industrial revolution. That is, if you define employment as requiring labor. (and taking out the obvious ups and downs with stock market and war) Similarly, undeveloped areas are having exploding demands of employment, if you define struggling and fighting to survive as employment. On the same token, if those areas are "unemployed" based on your modern definition of having a bank account set up to take benefits and paycheck, then sure, they'd be unemployed, but the trade off is they may need little to no money to live, which is exactly my point.I'm sure people have been arguing this since the invention of wheel. Think about what happened to all those people who made a living carrying stuff from town to town by foot with the invention of the horse and carriage!!!
By your argument, employment should have been steadily declining since the start of the industrial revolution. It's an argument that's been continuously repeated yet has no factual basis behind it.
Hell, there are many places in Africa that has very little innovation and automation, Employment must be through the roof over there
I do not think about the jobs that a wheel stole or killed, because I'm not the one who claims unemployment is bad.
Do you perhaps consider that the only reasons industrial revolution hasn't sent employment down the drain are: population has increased, international trade has become efficient, inflation and debt has increased (meaning lots of white collar jobs were created by borrowed money), consumption and desires have increased. If we were willing to live by the standards (be in living space, food supply, education, transportation, health standard) of the 1800s, employment would be close to zero.
Again, I will ask : What is good about employment or bad about unemployment, if you take out the concern of money?
Last edited by Tpoints; 12-05-2012 at 11:14 PM.
http://data.bls.gov/timeseries/LNS14000000
By your logic the increase of unemployment in this graph was caused by a sudden increase of innovation and automation. Unemployment is caused by many things. In this case the Business Cycle and Malinvestment do to the market correcting it's self, caused by artificially low interest rates. Protectionism is another cause.
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Nope. Just because innovation and automation CAN cause unemployment, doesn't mean it's the ONLY thing that causes it.
You gotta be kidding me, just because drinking rat poison kills you, means everybody can only die from drinking rat poison?
Unemployment is caused by many things........... Like I EVER SAID OTHERWISE!
Back to the original topic, it looks like the inventor ended up selling the company (or going in a joint venture) with DeeZee to do the manufacturing and it is 100% produced in the United States:
http://www.deezee.com/products/32923...nt_System.html
"As shown on TV, the Invis-A-Rack was intended for production in the USA and the inventor, Donny McCall, would not accept anything less. Dee Zee has fulfilled that promise with 100% production in America’s heartland. Use of highest quality materials and precision manufacturing makes the Invis-A-Rack a truly American born innovation."
So, apparently another successful American company thought it would be profitable to make the product in the United States (at least for the time being).
"You can easily judge the character of a man by how he treats those who can do nothing for him." - James D. Miles"
Buy American fallacy? pfft.... STFU!
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Last edited by phill4paul; 12-05-2012 at 11:26 PM.
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The Federalist and the Anti-Federalist.
Neither of the two dominating political parties belong to the latter.
You can't be one and the other..
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