Percentage of total state population voting for Ron Paul compared

[Keith and stuff]

Ok but wouldnt it be more relevant to do it as a % of total votes cast which would be the actual voting results...

That has already been done, obviously. I wanted to compare them in a different way.

Your analysis, IMO, seems to miss some obvious factors (unless you've covered it previously). For example, how many people in the state are eligible to vote? Then one would ask of those people, how many are actually registered? That leads to how many of those registered people are able to vote based on open/closed primary rules etc.

The number of people eligible to vote is of no relation to what I am comparing. The percentage of the population eligible to vote, is arguably related, but I disagree with that. In some states, felons aren't allowed to vote. The states with decent laws in that respect (of course, felons should be able to vote), shouldn't be punished because certain other states have a bad law.

What is relevant is the percentage of the population over 17 or whatever the voting age is in the various states. Feel free to come up with that info. You can start a new thread or post it here.

For what I am looking at voting age people registered vs. voting age people unregistered doesn't matter. As I explained, I'm trying to see what percentage of the population in the various states is aware of and in agreement with Paul's message. It is true that some people may be aware of and in agreement with Paul's message and not actually vote for Paul because they are very lazy people. If the people don't have the energy to register to vote and vote, I really am not concerned with them. I am not a babysitter.

Perhaps they are anarchists that don't vote. I understand that may hurt NH more than most states in these results as NH is known for having a large, nonvoting pro-liberty anarchist population compared to other state, per capita. However, NH still did best so it seems to not have hurt NH very much, compared to the other states. It seems to be either a non factor or a factor so small it doesn't make a noticeable difference in the big picture.

[Keith and stuff]

That's probably true but the Democrats made a concerted effort (egged on by DailyKOS) to vote for Rick Santorum.

From the article you posted, I thought this was interesting.

Two other factors worked in Romney’s favor: “Very” conservative voters, a group in which he’s struggled, made up 18 percent of the voters in Vermont, their lowest share in any state to date. And 27 percent of Vermont voters were evangelicals, another more difficult group for Romney – fewer than anywhere but New Hampshire.

In VT, Democrats made efforts to vote for Ron Paul or Rick Santorum. When I was at the polling place, a Democrat came up to me asking who to vote for to screw Romney. Of course, I was holding a Paul sign. Paul came in 2nd in neighboring NH, and also in near-by ME. He also came in 2nd in the WA caucus, which was the most recent race.

http://www.cnn.com/election/2012/primaries/epolls/vt

Vote by Party ID
Democrat
Paul 42%
Santorum 26%

Vote by Party ID
Independent (most Independents in VT lean Democrat)
Paul 38%
Santorum 21%

Vote by Ideology
Moderate or Liberal
Paul 34%
Santorum 21%

Opinion of Tea Party Movement
Strongly Oppose
Paul 46%
Santorum 23%

Abortion Should Be...
Always Legal
Paul 37%
Santorum 20%

[LittleLightShining]

I organized northern Vermont. I know what I'm talking about.

[Keith and stuff]

I organized northern Vermont. I know what I'm talking about.

Thank you. Did you see any of the NH campaign staff up there? The person that organized southern VT lived in NH, over an hour from the NH/VT border.

[LittleLightShining]

VT grassroots helped out a lot in Coos county and Littleton. I took on Lancaster as a town captain and made sure there were at least 2 Vermonters (but some days upwards of 6 of us) on the ground there. A couple we worked with in Littleton spent a couple days canvassing with us. We also had two more from Lancaster take on two towns as town captains. I also kept in touch with Norman T who was hired back on by the campaign about 9 days before the primary. He helped with phone calling and helped find people to man a few polling stations Jared kindly drove a suburban full of signs over from NH and I guess he bounced around on primary day. Aside from that no, there was no campaign staff visible.

We had nowhere near the support that was had in NH. Not complaining at all. But I'm proud of what the grassroots did here. We got 4 delegates, made Romney spend money here he wasn't expecting to need to, held him back from 50%, beat Rick Santorum and quadrupled our numbers from 08. 53 towns in VT were won by Ron Paul. You can try all you want to dismiss those wins based on your experience in Brattleboro but it doesn't hold water. Certain areas are more libertarian than you'd think. And there are some people left on the left that are anti-war and anti-fascist. We reached out to them and they joined us.



From what I understand the gentleman from NH that "organized" southern Vermont (we did need help there, so thanks!) came in to VT, started his own meetup and refused to communicate with us in our already effective and organized meetup. This created a gap in communication between him and the rest of the statewide grassroots network. I had my hands full in the NEK and Lamoille County.

[Keith and stuff]

VT grassroots helped out a lot in Coos county and Littleton. I took on Lancaster as a town captain and made sure there were at least 2 Vermonters (but some days upwards of 6 of us) on the ground there. A couple we worked with in Littleton spent a couple days canvassing with us. We also had two more from Lancaster take on two towns as town captains. I also kept in touch with Norman T who was hired back on by the campaign about 9 days before the primary. He helped with phone calling and helped find people to man a few polling stations Jared kindly drove a suburban full of signs over from NH and I guess he bounced around on primary day. Aside from that no, there was no campaign staff visible.

That's awesome. Paul wouldn't have done so well in NH if it wasn't for volunteers from VT, MA NY and so on helping out. NH is by far the most competitive state in the US and we needed all of the help we could get. Thank you to all of the Vermonters that helped out in the NH North Country. That was Paul's best region in NH. The big NH office was in Concord. I know the grassroots went up to the North County, had newspaper ads but I'm not even sure if the campaign did anything up there, other than makes a ton of phone calls. Paul did mention that he wouldn't approve Northern Pass, a major issue in the North County and the media spread his opinion on that up there. Norman is awesome. It is great having state Reps. helping Paul.

Certain areas are more libertarian than you'd think. And there are some people left on the left that are anti-war and anti-fascist. We reached out to them and they joined us.

That strategy makes sense in VT. Most of Paul's voters in VT likely came from Democratic leaning individuals. I agree that there are a lot of anti-war type people in VT. A couple of us at my polling place would sometimes mention that to people as they entered the polls.

From what I understand the gentleman from NH that "organized" southern Vermont (we did need help there, so thanks!) came in to VT, started his own meetup and refused to communicate with us in our already effective and organized meetup.

I don't know anything about that but it may be a different NH person you are talking about. The guy that the campaign (the NH campaign staff organized in ME and VT for Ron Paul, though on a much, much smaller scale than in NH) had do southern VT that I'm talking about only did the 2 southern counties in VT. He didn't seem like the type of person to start a meetup group. I learned about him from the campaign chair in my county. Regardless, it makes sense the that campaign people and the grassroots people organize some things separately.

[LittleLightShining]

That's awesome. Paul wouldn't have done so well in NH if it wasn't for volunteers from VT, MA NY and so on helping out. NH is by far the most competitive state in the US and we needed all of the help we could get. Thank you to all of the Vermonters that helped out in the NH North Country. That was Paul's best region in NH. The big NH office was in Concord. I know the grassroots went up to the North County, had newspaper ads but I'm not even sure if the campaign did anything up there, other than makes a ton of phone calls. Paul did mention that he wouldn't approve Northern Pass, a major issue in the North County and the media spread his opinion on that up there. Norman is awesome. It is great having state Reps. helping Paul.

We had a specific strategy in Coos/northern Grafton counties that focused on canvassing and poll watching. We were actually advised on our pre-primary conf call by the campaign NOT to watch the polls but to stay home and make calls. We said thanks, you can get off now and we'll talk to you in a couple days. Coos county was covered at the polls, we watched the votes and we had lists to make sure our people who didn't make it in to vote got phone calls before the polls closed. Wish we had enough time to put together the troops we needed to do that in VT but that doesn't mean it can't be improved on elsewhere.

That strategy makes sense in VT. Most of Paul's voters in VT likely came from Democratic leaning individuals. I agree that there are a lot of anti-war type people in VT. A couple of us at my polling place would sometimes mention that to people as they entered the polls.

That strategy works in any open primary state. Most of Paul's votes did not come from Democrats. Paul's votes came from Republicans, independents and some Democrats. WHICH IS EXACTLY WHAT WE NEED TO WIN THE GENERAL!

I don't know anything about that but it may be a different NH person you are talking about. The guy that the campaign (the NH campaign staff organized in ME and VT for Ron Paul, though on a much, much smaller scale than in NH) had do southern VT that I'm talking about only did the 2 southern counties in VT. He didn't seem like the type of person to start a meetup group. I learned about him from the campaign chair in my county. Regardless, it makes sense the that campaign people and the grassroots people organize some things separately.

Then we are talking about a different guy. You mean Mike F? He didn't go out of his way to work with anyone as far as I can see. And Marion in Chittenden county was absolutely useless. Norman worked overtime to help in what capacity he could. If anyone from the campaign deserves any kind of kudos it's Norman. We didn't coordinate-- we complemented.

[tremendoustie]

Its actually not sad. It is however irrelevant.

Just take ND for example. The state population is around 680,000 and only about 10,000 total votes were cast in the primary.

So?

Let me save the OP some time. Its ALWAYS going to be a tiny %.

The point is not that the percentages are small. The percentages are small for every candidate, because only a small percentage of the population votes in the primary.

The point of these statistics are to compare the percentage of people in each state who understand liberty, and are willing to make the effort to do something about it, by voting for RP.

It's a comparison between states, not between candidates.

In NH, nearly one in 20 people you see on the street, including children, democrats, nonvoters, etc, voted for Ron Paul in the republican primary. No other state can come close to saying that.

[Keith and stuff]

I added the 2008 percentages according to this source, http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthr...=1#post4165019

The percentages are up for almost every state this time around! In 2008, MT has the highest at 2%. MT hasn't voted yet. ID was 2nd highest at 1.9%. There was an ID (open) primary last time. This time ID held caucuses. Less people vote in caucuses so it makes sense that the ID percentage went down.

NH was 3rd in 2008 at 1.4%. NH jumped by the largest amount, all the way up to 4.3%. VT jumped the next highest amount, from 0.4% to 2.4%. SC had the 3rd largest increase.

[Aden]

Cool thread.