Common anti-palestinian arguments

[Lishy]

Hey guys. Help me counter these anti-palestinian arguments please!

Arabs target Israeli civilians with bombs in highly populated areas while Israelis organise strategic hits at terrorists hotspots. Occasionally civilians are caught up in the fallout but at least Israelis do not deliberately target innocent civilians, unlike the Palestinians.

Do you even know what goes on in Israel? There are rockets being fired on Israel by Hamas and other such terrorist organisations almost everyday. Secondly Israel also has to suicide bombers to contend with in the bigger cities. Suicide bombers alone have killed thousands of innocent Israelis. Propaganda means you don't see the attacks on Israels cities by more than just stones. It is time to wake up.

Jews have never killed innocents , at least not like the Muslims and Europeans have

but based on all the propaganda calling Jews heartless and saying they have killed innocents, it makes me wish they do

A part of me wants to see the "Samson Option" as a last fuck you to the world

even if I die I will die happy knowing all the enemies of the Jews are killed

Jews and Arabs are both Semites and both native to the land. Why can't they just live together and share? If the Jews feel as if they were promised the land, then fine. Then live on that land and stop causing trouble to the people that lived there before you did. LIVE TOGETHER IN PEACE AND UNITY. KEEP ON SEEKING PEACE AND PURSUE IT. Hating, violence, and retaliation has never solved anything!

Palestinians can't go anywhere in the Arab world...none want them.

For example, when they lived under Jordanian rule, in the respective region that used to belong to Jordan, they were ostracized by the Jordanians because they would conduct terrorist actions there as well. Which is why Jordan never requested those lands (and its inhabitants) back to make peace with Israel. They were HAPPY we took them.

jews killed millions?!? where and when exactly?! enlighten me please.

and lets see, 850 nobel prizes were awarded between 1901 and 2011, JEWS won about 200! muslims won 7 (ROLF!!!) when jews are 0.002% of human population and muslims are 20%, you are a JOKE!!!! albert einstein, sigmund freud, John von Neumann, alan turing, Neils Bohr. and the list goes on and on!

your computer was invented by jews you stupid chimp!

just google "100 Scientists Who Shaped World History"

the state of palestine never existed, the palestinians never have been sovereign and the land you call west-bank was taken from Jordan, not from the state of palestine... but that is not the point here.

the point is that this state of palestine you so wish to establish has no intention living peacefully next to its neighbor.. in 2000, the palestinians were offered nearly 100% of what they asked for, but instead of agreeing or even giving a counteroffer, they chose violence (again).

And to clarify, the Palestinians are trapped, aren't they? They cannot join Israel because of a ban on their checkpoints of some sort, and they can't simply gain a citizenship to another country?

Thanks!

[thoughtomator]

The key problem with the Palestinians is that no one likes them any further than they are a useful cudgel to wield against Israel.

The Palestinians won't be allowed to become Israelis as the birthrate differential would rapidly make today's Israelis and their descendants a minority in their own country.

No other Arab country will take them after the wars they started in Jordan and Lebanon, and keeping them where they are keeps pressure on Israel.

Third parties don't want them moved either, now that they have been there long enough that institutional inertia has a vested interest in the status quo.

Personally I think one of three things needs to happen to come to any sort of stable resolution: a) a population swap like Pakistan/India; b) dispersion of the Palestinian population throughout Arab lands; or c) a gift of a new homeland for them, likely somewhere in Africa.

[Lishy]

Interesting. Anything tackling the arguments I've posted one by one though? ^^

[thoughtomator]

Can't really refute them, as they are for the most part factually correct.

[bolil]

The key problem with the Palestinians is that no one likes them any further than they are a useful cudgel to wield against Israel.

The Palestinians won't be allowed to become Israelis as the birthrate differential would rapidly make today's Israelis and their descendants a minority in their own country.

No other Arab country will take them after the wars they started in Jordan and Lebanon, and keeping them where they are keeps pressure on Israel.

Third parties don't want them moved either, now that they have been there long enough that institutional inertia has a vested interest in the status quo.

Personally I think one of three things needs to happen to come to any sort of stable resolution: a) a population swap like Pakistan/India; b) dispersion of the Palestinian population throughout Arab lands; or c) a gift of a new homeland for them, likely somewhere in Africa.

Man... a) Never gonna happen for reasons you have already outlines, and because I don't think the Palestinians want to leave their ancestral homes. b)LOLWUT? c)Yeah, because the British "regift" of Palestine to the Jews worked out so well for both parties...

Hey Lishy, on the first point, there can be no justifying indiscriminate rocket fire... there can also be no justifying of indiscriminate home demolition via armored bulldozer. If the fulcrum there is that Israel "does not actively target" civilians, then perhaps Palestinian rockets are "targeted" at military installations and simply land elsewhere (quite common with Israeli munitions if I understand correctly). So in both cases we have civilians being killed, one side gets to call it collateral damage but the to the other side is applied the synonym of murder? It is impossible to defend a statement like that, unless your arguing with a fascist that believes certain people are inherently above others. Or a communist that is going to believe, ala Orwell, some people are more equal than others. Does this help?

Also, it is often forgotten that when the European Jews were fleeing Hitlers genocide, Palestinians accepted more refugees than any country besides the USA. Some will say that was a British mandate, but the fact is on day one the Palestinians could have run the jews into the sea. This did not happen.

It sounds like your in an argument with Jewish Facists... sorry dude sometimes you just gotta walk away. In Israel there is mandatory enslavement, I mean conscription. Its hard to argue with people that have been thoroughly indoctrinated into hate.

[Revolution9]

Interesting. Anything tackling the arguments I've posted one by one though? ^^

Pay no mind to thoughtomator. He is bought and sold into the false paradigm and apparently has no grasp of recent history only MSM memes.

Palestinians fire the equivalent of high powered bottle rockets with no guidance systems. They most frequently land in empty lots. Operation Cast Lead is undeniable proof that Israelis target any and all palestinians as warfighters. Even babies who they had Tshirts made about killing.

Every day the Palestinians are humiliated and cannot move freely. Women are forced to give birth at checkpoints because the soldiers will not allow them to cross to the hospital nor an ambulance retrieve them. Being throughly pissed about this multi-decade state of affairs some of them firs bottle rockets at Israel or throw shoes at checkpoints and the Israelis respond with Nazi-esque blitzkreig tactics like they are the remnants of the Third Reich.

Khazarian/Ashkenazi Jews are not semites. The Sephardic Jews are. The Ashkenazi treat the Sephardics with the same type of contempt they have for the Palestinians...that of a conquered people under the victors boot. No intermarriage without disgrace etc.

Ashkenazi Jews killed tens of millions of Orthodox Christians in Russia during the revolution and the communist regimes.

The computer was invented by Englishman..not Brit...Babbits and refined into more compact form over the centuries. Einstein's famous constant C is wrong. The Nobel board was hamstrung with zionists. They gave Obama a frikkin' peace prize fer fuxaches. I could go into energetics and physics and the greats of English science in the 1800's to refute the supposed genius of the Jews and show the English and Scots were nailing the whole physics structure down and had broken the keys to universal physics. Then some money guys didn't like the idea they couldn't meter the energy output so they changed the fundamental quadratic equations of electromagnetism and quelled work by Keely and Lord Rutherford to name a few, so only closed circuits could be designed, leading to suppression of free energy devices and a wrong headed, resistive and destructive bent to the sciences involved.

I am so frikkin' tired of these self important asswipes. Calling us chimps? I didn't crawl off no Savanna and neither did my ancestors. Seriously. They can bulldoze over a young American girl and then go about shutting down memorial plays to her heroic death with further threats based on their self importance. They got a big whackstick coming from universal kharma.

I know you are Jewish but i sense you do not stand with these types. You have a humble attitude about your faith, much like the True Torah Jews who I admire for standing up for their faith against the dogma of zionism, which leads to territorial expansion, the main cause of violent deaths in written history.


Rev9

[Lishy]

Palestinians fire the equivalent of high powered bottle rockets with no guidance systems. They most frequently land in empty lots. Operation Cast Lead is undeniable proof that Israelis target any and all palestinians as warfighters. Even babies who they had Tshirts made about killing.

Interesting. Any reliable sources about the innocent Palestinian causalities, especially those being children wearing t-shirts?

Every day the Palestinians are humiliated and cannot move freely. Women are forced to give birth at checkpoints because the soldiers will not allow them to cross to the hospital nor an ambulance retrieve them. Being throughly pissed about this multi-decade state of affairs some of them firs bottle rockets at Israel or throw shoes at checkpoints and the Israelis respond with Nazi-esque blitzkreig tactics like they are the remnants of the Third Reich.

Interesting too, but I need sources to back up any future arguments I may make ^^

I'm not too educated on the issue however. Are Palestinians trapped in their own territory, unable to leave, like a prison?

Khazarian/Ashkenazi Jews are not semites. The Sephardic Jews are. The Ashkenazi treat the Sephardics with the same type of contempt they have for the Palestinians...that of a conquered people under the victors boot. No intermarriage without disgrace etc.

I have actually heard about discrimination against the Sephardics, but I'm not thoroughly educated. Mind explaining the specifics to me?

Ashkenazi Jews killed tens of millions of Orthodox Christians in Russia during the revolution and the communist regimes.

Interesting, but mind clarifying this too for me please?

The computer was invented by Englishman..not Brit...Babbits and refined into more compact form over the centuries. Einstein's famous constant C is wrong. The Nobel board was hamstrung with zionists. They gave Obama a frikkin' peace prize fer fuxaches. I could go into energetics and physics and the greats of English science in the 1800's to refute the supposed genius of the Jews and show the English and Scots were nailing the whole physics structure down and had broken the keys to universal physics. Then some money guys didn't like the idea they couldn't meter the energy output so they changed the fundamental quadratic equations of electromagnetism and quelled work by Keely and Lord Rutherford to name a few, so only closed circuits could be designed, leading to suppression of free energy devices and a wrong headed, resistive and destructive bent to the sciences involved.

Huh?

I am so frikkin' tired of these self important asswipes. Calling us chimps? I didn't crawl off no Savanna and neither did my ancestors. Seriously. They can bulldoze over a young American girl and then go about shutting down memorial plays to her heroic death with further threats based on their self importance. They got a big whackstick coming from universal kharma.

Who called us chimps?

I know you are Jewish but i sense you do not stand with these types. You have a humble attitude about your faith, much like the True Torah Jews who I admire for standing up for their faith against the dogma of zionism, which leads to territorial expansion, the main cause of violent deaths in written history.

I actually like to think of myself as a Jewish Atheist
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_atheism

I do believe in Zionism to an extent, but modern day Israel certainly isn't our sanctuary. Rather, I find it to be an anti-Semitic state which endangers Jews more than it protects them. By angering its Arab neighbors and mistreating the Palestinian natives, Israel is creating more enemies for us than it prevents, and furthermore it gives birth and fuel to movements like the David Duke movement. It is even flawed in its own sovereignty because it depends upon such large levels of aid and support from other countries in the world. This makes Israel more of a military proxy state bought and run by Western Governments, rather than a Jewish homeland.

Though more than Zionism, I feel justice is more important. It's nonsensical that the Prime Minister of Canada - Stephen Harper for example, steals our money and resources to give to Israel, with nothing in return. Furthermore, we have no obligation, nor' responsibility, to support a regime which bases itself on the blood and repression of another culture.

And I certainly don't feel it's fair either how Western Media paints the Palestinians as suicide bombers who hate Jews and Israel "Just 'cause". It's just like when the media shows anti-American protests and say it is a "concern". They never show their motivation for such things in the first place! And people can act so stupid, they think "Oh those craaaazy Arabs again!"

Arabs today are more repressed than blacks ever were. They live under dictatorship, they're wrongly judged and painted throughout the rest world, they're trapped in war, and their lands are exploited by other states more than any other culture in the world!

I also find it stupid about how soooo many Christians talk as if Israel is important to them. I'm a Jew, and I carry the Jewish blood. If they don't listen to me as one of the "Poor Jews affected by these unfortunate events to Israel", then they need to just shut up and NEVER get involved with these topics until they're educated! Watching Christians talk about how "important" Israel is to them, when they've never even been there, is like watching a white person who thinks they're black!

And do so many western politicians have some sort of Jew fetish or something!? Are they so perverse that when a Jew is right in front of them, they keep thinking with their cocks instead of actually listening to them!?

In all seriousness, making unrelated cultures "obligated" to support Israel is the stupidest thing I've ever heard!

If anyone should take responsibility for Israel, it is the British. Because they were the ones who created Israel, and it should be their responsibility to solve this mess! Why is it the rest of the world's responsibility to pay for their military state and to die for their land!? We have our own countries to live for!

To clarify, I'm not presently in any arguments. Though considering I'm surrounded by so many idiots who spout off crap before doing their research, why shouldn't I get educated? The arguments from my first post are from the youtube video where Prime Minister of Canada - Stephen Harper is making a speech titled "I Will Defend Israel 'whatever the cost'". By that title alone, you may be able to understand why I'm pissed.

My mom also frequently says crap like "If we ever had to take refuge somewhere, Israel is the ONLY country in the world which will accept us because we're Jewish", which is a stupid, because what about Canadians who AREN'T Jewish!? Why must they pay???

I mean, if we want to support Israel, we're free to donate. That's perfectly fine. But demanding the theft of money, resources, and our servicemen in the name Israel? How the hell do they even believe that's justified!?

Being surrounded by such people, I feel it's very important I learn reality, and how to counter such typical arguments. Help is appreciated!

(Though, I guess the first step to ending this madness is Ron Paul 2012...)

[bolil]

Just to clarify, I wasn't saying that as in all Jews are fascist, but like any other religion/ethnic group some certainly are.

[Revolution9]

Hi Lishy. I can much appreciate your sentiment because as a human being that is how I feel about it. As for information sources. Each of these can be googled. For the Palestinian issue I will bet that if you will google the name Rachel Corrie and read her story that there will be links to the crisis of the Palestinians. They bulldozed this brave young American girl into the ground and murdered her because she stood in the way of the regime demolishing the home of a Palestinian family. Subsequently in America and Canada plays were written about her and any theatre that dared try to put it on was shut down with waves of extortion and threats of funding being pulled, death threats to the directors etc,.

The judeo-xtians enamored of Israel are being led down the garden path to a snakepit. This is not the tenets of true Christianity but a heresy introduced by the fraud Scofield and his Zionist revisioned Bible.

This is such a deep subject I don't know where to start but I would suggest for the historical background of how zionism uses Jews as a shield Douglas Reed's "The Controversy of Zion' is a recommended read.
http://www.controversyofzion.info/Controversybook/index.htm


Rev9

[Lishy]

Something else from YT I'd like some (hopefully cited) arguments against:

There is no such thing as a Palestinian Arab nation . . . Palestine is a name the Romans gave to Eretz Yisrael with the express purpose of infuriating the Jews . . . . Why should we use the spiteful name meant to humiliate us? " "The British chose to call the land they mandated Palestine, and the Arabs picked it up as their nation's supposed ancient name, though they couldn't even pronounce it correctly and turned it into Falastin a fictional entity." ---- Golda Meir quoted by Sarah Honig, Jerusalem Post, 25 November 1995

Palestine has never existed . . . as an autonomous entity. There is no language known as Palestinian. There is no distinct Palestinian culture. There has never been a land known as Palestine governed by Palestinians. Palestinians are Arabs, indistinguishable from Jordanians (another recent invention), Syrians, Lebanese, Iraqis, etc.

Keep in mind that the Arabs control 99.9 percent of the Middle East lands. Israel represents one-tenth of one percent of the landmass. But that's too much for the Arabs. They want it all. And that is ultimately what the fighting in Israel is about today . . . No matter how many land concessions the Israelis make, it will never be enough. -- from "Myths of the Middle East",Joseph Farah, Arab-American editor and journalist, WorldNetDaily, 11 October 2000

From the end of the Jewish state in antiquity to the beginning of British rule, the area now designated by the name Palestine was not a country and had no frontiers, only administrative boundaries . . . . - Professor Bernard Lewis, Commentary Magazine, January 1975

Talk and writing about Israel and the Middle East feature the nouns "Palestine" and Palestinian", and the phrases "Palestinian territory" and even "Israeli-occupied Palestinian territory". All too often, these terms are used with regard to their historical or geographical meaning, so that the usage creates illusions rather than clarifies reality.

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Islam is the greatest killer of all time, worse than Christianity, fascism or communism. The history of political Islam is the destruction of Christianity in the Middle East, Egypt, Turkey and North Africa. Half of Christianity was lost. Soon it was the fate of the Persian Zoroastrian and the Hindu to be the victims of jihad. Before Islam, North Africa was the southern part of Europe (part of the Roman Empire). Around 60 million Christians were slaughtered during the jihadist conquest. Half of the glorious Hindu civilization was annihilated and 80 million Hindus killed. The Jews similarly annihilated.

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Most Americans believe Palestine is just randomly firing missiles into Israel, spontaneously. In the event where they did, what preceded that?