A one-party system, masquerading as two (VIDEO)

[lilymc]

I don't know if you all agree, but I really think that one of the biggest problems we face is that so many people are still stuck in the "Republican vs Democrat" false dichotomy. I was just posting to someone on another forum, and he said, "We have to support Romney, because we CAN'T have another four years of Obama!" There are still so many people who don't see that we basically have a one-party system, masquerading as two. Yes, to us that might be obvious or "old news" but the point is, too many others still don't get that.

I've been trying to wake up those people... and I think if we get them to see that, more people will (finally) see that Ron Paul is the solution, because he's the ONLY one who actually wants to do something different. A vote for him is a vote against the status-quo, unlike with all the other candidates.

I did this (very simple) video 4 years ago, but even though it's not new, it's still relevant, and obviously the message of it still needs to be heard. So please help me share it, for 2012!

[FrankRep]

The argument that the two parties should represent opposed ideals and policies, one, perhaps, of the Right and the other of the Left, is a foolish idea acceptable only to the doctrinaire and academic thinkers. Instead, the two parties should be almost identical, so that the American people can "throw the rascals out" at any election without leading to any profound or extreme shifts in policy. Then it should be possible to replace it, every four years if necessary, by the other party, which will be none of these things but will still pursue, with new vigor, approximately the same basic policies.

- Prof. Carroll Quigley, Tragedy and Hope (1966)

[mosquitobite]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carroll_Quigley

[lilymc]

The argument that the two parties should represent opposed ideals and policies, one, perhaps, of the Right and the other of the Left, is a foolish idea acceptable only to the doctrinaire and academic thinkers. Instead, the two parties should be almost identical, so that the American people can "throw the rascals out" at any election without leading to any profound or extreme shifts in policy. Then it should be possible to replace it, every four years if necessary, by the other party, which will be none of these things but will still pursue, with new vigor, approximately the same basic policies.

- Prof. Carroll Quigley, Tragedy and Hope (1966)

Wow. That's pretty much exactly what is going on now, their 'goal' has been achieved.

You know, I think I might slightly re-vamp/ renew this video, and re-upload it for 2012. I'll change the last part at the very end where it says "ronpaul2008.com". It shouldn't take me long, so I'll try to do that tonight... then share the new one.

Thanks for the quote.

[tttppp]

In my opinion the democratic and republican parties should merge as one and call themselves the communist or fascist party. Both want big government solutions where the government dictates to every company exactly how it is to operate.

[lilymc]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carroll_Quigley

Thanks. I like the subheading, "Citations of Quigley by conspiracy theorists"

According to wiki, he says he was misquoted, and he denies some stuff... which isn't surprising. Anyway, there's more than enough evidence that there has been an agenda for world government for many years now, regardless of what they say when confronted with that.

In my opinion the democratic and republican parties should merge as one and call themselves the communist or fascist party. Both want big government solutions where the government dictates to every company exactly how it is to operate.

Or the globalist/collectivist party.

[awake]

Bi-partisanship is the 'one party' at work. The US political system is very much being used to install an American brand of socialism under the noses of most of it citizens. This is in part thanks to the refined art of "doublespeak", for which western politicians are born geniuses at, and crony capitalist America from which "aggressive marketing tactics" (lying) are borrowed by bureaucrats to help disguise the tiny steps downward toward socialism .

[Liberty74]

Yep, it's time the two party criminal system comes crashing down.

Speaking of that, wouldn't a state seceding be easier to get done? Then we can all move there.

[lilymc]

@awake and Liberty74, I agree. And yes, I like the state idea.

Aright, I'm working on the 2012 version of this video right now, and I'm probably going to change the text a bit. If there's anyone here who's good with words, pls let me know what would be better questions to ask (at the beginning part, when it says, "do you ever wonder why these days there's little difference between the two parties?") I could just leave the same text up, but it's kinda wordy... (my writing style)

[ryanmkeisling]

Bi-partisanship is the 'one party' at work. The US political system is very much being used to install an American brand of socialism under the noses of most of it citizens. This is in part thanks to the refined art of "doublespeak", for which western politicians are born geniuses at, and crony capitalist America from which "aggressive marketing tactics" (lying) are borrowed by bureaucrats to help disguise the tiny steps downward toward socialism .

There is a philosophic term for this: hegelian dialectic. Although it is attributed to Hegel it is traced directly to Kant. This model has been in use for some time in American politics. Thesis and antithesis give way to synthesis. Democrat, republican, bipartisan. It is a very simple model that has been very effective. As a taoist I could care less about intellectualism anymore but perhaps one of the more astute members could further elaborate on these concepts and their use in politics...

"The Hegelian dialectic is the framework for guiding our thoughts and actions into conflicts that lead us to a predetermined solution. If we do not understand how the Hegelian dialectic shapes our perceptions of the world, then we do not know how we are helping to implement the vision. When we remain locked into dialectical thinking, we cannot see out of the box."
-quote from here http://www.crossroad.to/articles2/05/dialectic.htm

edit from the webpage:"Today the dialectic is active in every political issue that encourages taking sides. We can see it in environmentalists instigating conflicts against private property owners, in democrats against republicans, in greens against libertarians, in communists against socialists, in neo-cons against traditional conservatives, in community activists against individuals, in pro-choice versus pro-life, in Christians against Muslims, in isolationists versus interventionists, in peace activists against war hawks. No matter what the issue, the invisible dialectic aims to control both the conflict and the resolution of differences, and leads everyone involved into a new cycle of conflicts.

We're definitely not in Kansas anymore."

[Mach]

Reps and Dems
Different Paths
Same Destination.....

destined-nation.

[lilymc]

An old thread, and very old video but I'm amazed that still so many people aren't getting what keeps happening, every four years.

I think this video (a clip of a speech by Ed Griffin) is still relevant... except for the "vote Ron Paul" part.

[ThePaleoLibertarian]

The stupid party>the evil party.

As bad as the GOP can be, they don't have the kind of control over the mass media (confirmed in these leaks), nor are they leading the charge of cultural degeneracy and social decline.

The real culprit isn't either party; it is the Cathedral.

[Slave Mentality]

The stupid party>the evil party.

As bad as the GOP can be, they don't have the kind of control over the mass media (confirmed in these leaks), nor are they leading the charge of cultural degeneracy and social decline.

The real culprit isn't either party; it is the Cathedral.

SMMFH

[Natural Citizen]

More precisely, more honestly, we have a one-party system masquerading as three at the present moment. If we're going to make a case for the one-party masquerade, then, let's make it correctly, please.

The 2014 Mid-Term elections certainly did turn out voter numbers that we haven't seen in modern history in terms of Independent, Third Party, Green candidate support. Don't think for a second, though, that the establishment didn't notice it and that they aren't fighting back this time around. The candidates in the 2016 elections along with their policies are an indicator that the establishment has managed to recover and transist from a one-party system masquerading as two, to a one-party system masquerading as three. And the average schmuck, unfortunately, is eating it up like candy. To the extent that he/she provides the establishment an assist in the screwery.

[Natural Citizen]

Heh. I just noticed that this thread is going on 5 years old.

[Son_of_Liberty90]

Yea, we do. The problem is the majority of America does not.

[pcosmar]

Heh. I just noticed that this thread is going on 5 years old.

and some were old when it was posted.

[P3ter_Griffin]

SMMFH

haha, what are you trying to tell me, they left him off the poll result graphics on purpose?!

[Origanalist]

Heh. I just noticed that this thread is going on 5 years old.

There are some names I haven't seen in a while.

[P3ter_Griffin]

I think there is more distinction between the two parties to justify calling it a one party system. If we just want to look at them broadly, yes they both favor the same FP they both favor the drug war, etc. But as far as economic policies... again we could look broadly and say both their economic policies are bad... and judicial policies (neither good)... we are much more closely aligned with the GOP. The left is especially bad with economic freedom ($15 minimum wage... this isn't coming from some loons in a parking lot... they are paid to be there) and if you really look at what they want the supreme court to do... I think it amounts to they just don't want it to exist... strict democracy.... I will say though, as libertyeagle correctly pointed out in the thread where the Texas governor proposed a constitutional convention, the right has made a push for democratization of laws by requiring a super-majority to overturn unconstitutional laws..... but his proposal may well have been the work of those leftist organizations.... which leads to the fact that there are probably some on each side who really represent the other-side. Maybe nothing is gained by looking at them more closely?

[Natural Citizen]

Maybe nothing is gained by looking at them more closely?

Eh. don't know. I maintain that we have a one-party system masquerading as three these days. Really, the only way to see it for what it is, is to look. Know what I mean, jellybean?

[Natural Citizen]

There are some names I haven't seen in a while.

I wish Sailingaway were still here.

[P3ter_Griffin]

I wish Sailingaway were still here.

She was a very kind person... to all I'm sure... but to me during my early days here.

[P3ter_Griffin]

Eh. don't know. I maintain that we have a one-party system masquerading as three these days. Really, the only way to see it for what it is, is to look. Know what I mean, jellybean?

I know what ya mean... getting punched in the arm is not different than getting shot in the head.