My co-worker knows this guy. She graduated from high school with him.
My co-worker knows this guy. She graduated from high school with him.
Why have these useless "currencies"? Just let people use whatever they want as money & measure them in the terms that they want rather than imposing some useless names like "dollar", "pound" or whatever, I think if competing currencies are allowed then most people will choose gold & silver so let people have them denominate them in grams or ounces rather than "dollar" or whatever
That is true, government-controlled gold-standard should be a complete no-no
I don't know but competing-currencies would be the way to go otherwise we'd only get back to same old, same old, govenment fixes $x = Gy then creates more money than they've gold & then "revalue" (DEVALUE) the currency as $x = Gz & so on, it's not a "gold-standard" per se but a phony government-controlled version of it
I won't be surprised if you never get a response
I think it's the other way around, Iran has dumped the US dollar & has been organizing for oil-trade with Russia in Rubles & with Japan in Yen & in gold with India & China hence all the hysteria - "oh, they've got the nukes, let's have a war with them!"because it would knock dollar off its economic pedestal
Well said, except I'd just like to chime in by saying that the interest earned by Fed goes to Treasury/US-government as Fed hands over its "profits" to the US government (which includes interest on Treasuries & interest on loans given to financial institutions, etc)
Well, if he indeed believes in banning all derivatives then he DEFINITELY isn't "one of us" because "we" believe in freedom of life, liberty & property to every person which means if people consensually engage in any activity so long as they don't violate someone else's rights
If he indeed believes in banning all derivatives then I'm afraid he doesn't know that much economics afterall, derivatives are essential part of the markets & risk-management as well as price-discovery, all of which are very important functions to be served under a sound economic system
Please look for the thread regarding derivatives, I believe we had a nice & informative discussion about it in the last couple of weeks so the thread must be on one of the recent pages in this section
NO, you can't have "well-run fiat" because central-planning does NOT work because nobody has all the information required to dictate price of anything & YES, managing the moneysupply essentially means dictating it's "price" or "purchasing-power" (things that you can get in return for something over a period of time for fixed quantity) or whatever you want to call it
Moreover, there's always the fact that people are self-interested which means that those who run this system will try to exploit it to benefit themselves & those who benefit them; this is the same "problem of right people" faced by communists/socialists as the supposedly kind, angelic, omniscient people that would run the system "just right".....can't be found & rather those who want to exploit it are automatically attracted it
Any monetary system that depends on the "discretion" of a handful of all-wise angels will necessarily fail
Yes, taxes should be abolished while so far as taxes go, there can always be currency-conversion, for example, one can always convert one's gold into FRNs & pay off the government with that
Going a step further (& of course, it will be while before this becomes feasible) & say there should be no "taxes", government must EARN its money like everyone else by providing a good service rather than just being able to ROB people; until they can just TAKE the money, they'll have little incentive to provide good service, that's how markets work, if businesses could just take our money then they wouldn't be so bothered about their goods & services & government IS such a "business" & that needs to change if we're to expect real accountability from the government
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There is enormous inertia — a tyranny of the status quo — in private and especially governmental arrangements. Only a crisis — actual or perceived — produces real change. When that crisis occurs, the actions that are taken depend on the ideas that are lying around. That, I believe, is our basic function: to develop alternatives to existing policies, to keep them alive and available until the politically impossible becomes politically inevitable
- Milton Friedman
There are a lot of Austrian-minded economists that are extremely skeptical of derivatives. Taleb comes to mind, as do the folks at ZH--although I don't think they've gone as far as saying that they should be outright banned.Well, if he indeed believes in banning all derivatives then he DEFINITELY isn't "one of us" because "we" believe in freedom of life, liberty & property to every person which means if people consensually engage in any activity so long as they don't violate someone else's rights
If he indeed believes in banning all derivatives then I'm afraid he doesn't know that much economics afterall, derivatives are essential part of the markets & risk-management as well as price-discovery, all of which are very important functions to be served under a sound economic system
Please look for the thread regarding derivatives, I believe we had a nice & informative discussion about it in the last couple of weeks so the thread must be on one of the recent pages in this section
The crux of the anti-derivatives argument is like this: they are extremely complex instruments and virtually everyone trading them doesn't understand them. They are fraudulent by nature, and can put economic agents at risk that aren't even involved in the trade.
If you have a government that runs like a business, then you don't have a government at all.Yes, taxes should be abolished while so far as taxes go, there can always be currency-conversion, for example, one can always convert one's gold into FRNs & pay off the government with that
Going a step further (& of course, it will be while before this becomes feasible) & say there should be no "taxes", government must EARN its money like everyone else by providing a good service rather than just being able to ROB people; until they can just TAKE the money, they'll have little incentive to provide good service, that's how markets work, if businesses could just take our money then they wouldn't be so bothered about their goods & services & government IS such a "business" & that needs to change if we're to expect real accountability from the government
You cannot have truly competing currencies with a government that levies compulsory taxes. Can't do it. Sorry. The equivalent of dividing by zero.
Even if you can convert whatever currency you're using into FRNs to the pay the taxes, the FRNs themselves are still the de facto official currency. The US dollar would not be the currency if it wasn't for the fact that you are legally obligated to pay your taxes in dollars. The taxes create the demand for the dollars in the first place.
The idea of competing currencies can only truly make sense in a stateless society. And we aren't there yet. In the meantime I'll take a government gold standard over Bernanke's printing press. Worked pretty well for the first 130 or so years of this country's existence.
Last edited by Blueskies; 02-28-2012 at 10:16 PM.