NYT Expose On Chinese Working Conditions In Apple Factories - Microeconomic Help Please

[onlyrp]

I know a great deal about business. I don't appreciate the insult. I majored in accounting and finance, and I have management experience which I am great at.

Then you have no problem competing with Apple in China, oh right, you don't have capital. If you know a great deal about business, it's still a shame you do not understand the Apple cult and loyal customers that'll buy products even if they knew their company was owned by a genocidal maniac (as long as it's legal). So the idea that Apple should stop and care about their employees, customers, and reputation is plain ignorant, and baseless.

Can you show ONE example of Apple ever losing business or gaining business by doing any of the suggestions you made? Improve work conditions, pay employees more, think about their "reputation"?

It wouldn't cost them too much money to cut down on employee hours. It makes no sense to work employees to death. They are no good to you when they are half dead. Also, how much would it really cost to not expose employees to harmful chemicals? This is just bad management. Period.

No, it's not bad management. Not if you can get away with replacing them on demand.

One thing you have to consider is that not everyone is rational.

I already know that, so for you to think Apple should care is laughable, for you to think competition will destroy them, is even more laughable, but feel free to prove me wrong. They've managed to rack up the market quite a bit, especially for smartphones. They'll still be selling overpriced laptops that less than 10% of the developed world can afford, and that's fine with them. They are not trying to be wal-mart. I am not saying I like Apple, I am just saying I don't care and nor should anybody, care about workers.

There are a lot of stupid people in this world. Some of them are crappy managers. I worked with managers who could have twice the staff as me and still couldn't get half the results I would get. This isn't hypothetical, this actually happened. I guarantee you if I ran Apple's China plants I'd get more done with better working conditions.

Go apply and see if they care. Yes, there's lots of stupid people in this world, that's where their business comes from.

Think about companies like Google who have some of the best offices in the world.

*facepalm*
the very first post I made was that they are NOTHING COMPARABLE. You might be able to compare Apple US retail stores, or corporate Apple to corporate Google. But Apple production lines and sweatshops are something Google NEVER HAD BECAUSE THEY DO NOT PRODUCE HARDWARE.

I'm sure all you cost cutters would complain about that too. But these offices get them the best employees and get the most commitment from these employees. It also gives Google a good reputation as well.

No, I don't complain about Google. Why do you insist that every company "cares about reputation and having best employees"?
I've just told you Apple customers DO NOT CARE (are you ready to refute it?).

Now, if you were talking about Apple's US corporate, and retail stores, that's much different, because there are heavy US labor laws and regulations.
But as long as there are hardware production factories, there will be sweatshops, and Apple customers DO NOT CARE about sweatshop workers (until this fact changes, there is nothing that'll incentive Apple to treat their sweatshop workers any better).

[onlyrp]

They are all GDP. There is not much difference.

So you mean to say construction workers and doctors should have the same working condition???

[anaconda]

So you mean to say construction workers and doctors should have the same working condition???

I would think they would be approximate. In other words, the doctor may not need a rest period, but the construction worker would. The free market should make the pay and conditions commensurate with the conditions, risks, skills, etc. I don't think any of them should be suicidal, for example.

[onlyrp]

I would think they would be approximate. In other words, the doctor may not need a rest period, but the construction worker would. The free market should make the pay and conditions commensurate with the conditions, risks, skills, etc. I don't think any of them should be suicidal, for example.

that's fair. So by that, there's no reason anybody should be surprised that Google's offices are relaxing, while Apple's sweatshops are sweating. Neither are suicidal, what's new?

[tttppp]

Then you have no problem competing with Apple in China, oh right, you don't have capital. If you know a great deal about business, it's still a shame you do not understand the Apple cult and loyal customers that'll buy products even if they knew their company was owned by a genocidal maniac (as long as it's legal). So the idea that Apple should stop and care about their employees, customers, and reputation is plain ignorant, and baseless.

Can you show ONE example of Apple ever losing business or gaining business by doing any of the suggestions you made? Improve work conditions, pay employees more, think about their "reputation"?




No, it's not bad management. Not if you can get away with replacing them on demand.



I already know that, so for you to think Apple should care is laughable, for you to think competition will destroy them, is even more laughable, but feel free to prove me wrong. They've managed to rack up the market quite a bit, especially for smartphones. They'll still be selling overpriced laptops that less than 10% of the developed world can afford, and that's fine with them. They are not trying to be wal-mart. I am not saying I like Apple, I am just saying I don't care and nor should anybody, care about workers.



Go apply and see if they care. Yes, there's lots of stupid people in this world, that's where their business comes from.


*facepalm*
the very first post I made was that they are NOTHING COMPARABLE. You might be able to compare Apple US retail stores, or corporate Apple to corporate Google. But Apple production lines and sweatshops are something Google NEVER HAD BECAUSE THEY DO NOT PRODUCE HARDWARE.



No, I don't complain about Google. Why do you insist that every company "cares about reputation and having best employees"?
I've just told you Apple customers DO NOT CARE (are you ready to refute it?).

Now, if you were talking about Apple's US corporate, and retail stores, that's much different, because there are heavy US labor laws and regulations.
But as long as there are hardware production factories, there will be sweatshops, and Apple customers DO NOT CARE about sweatshop workers (until this fact changes, there is nothing that'll incentive Apple to treat their sweatshop workers any better).

I've already explained to you that if they were well managed they could keep the costs down AND treat their employees much better. I know I could get the job done. I've out managed everyone I've ever worked with. I guarantee you I could get the job done.

Apple treats their employees like shit because they are incompetent. Treating employee like shit and getting away with it does not mean you are well managed. It shows Apple doesn't know what they are doing. If you can keep costs low AND treat employees well, you fucking do it. You proved my point. Apple just treats employees like shit because their dicks. They just do it because they can. Not because its the only way. Additionally, Apple has hundreds of thousands of employees at one plant. Haven't they ever heard of automation. There is no need to have that many employees at one plant. If I was managing them, I would automate everything and significantly cut down on employees.

You may not understand this topic as well as me because it is clear you don't have any quality management experience. You don't have experience outperforming your peers like I do. I understand that there are always ways to improve processes and get things done more efficiently. You don't understand this. You think everyone is competent and doing everything perfectly. It doesn't work that way.

[Anti Federalist]

They are slaves, without property rights, without liberties, without freedoms, in a controlled, corrupt fascist government. The future of the world as the CFR sees it.

Thread winner.

Anybody trying to defend this as a "free market" is insane, AFAIC.

[TheBlackPeterSchiff]

A law like that might go a long way in making the US a better place

Why? Should people not be free to unionize and collectively bargain?

[Dsylexic]

I can see somebody loves unemployment.

looks like you dont understand that jobs are disutility.we dont work for the sake of work.we work because the output of work is valued.if you can get that value without employing people,it is better for everyone.you ought to read hayek or even krugman on international trade

[onlyrp]

looks like you dont understand that jobs are disutility.we dont work for the sake of work.we work because the output of work is valued.if you can get that value without employing people,it is better for everyone.you ought to read hayek or even krugman on international trade

No, I fully understand it. I'm pro-unemployment if it means efficiency, sorry I was pulling your leg :-x

[onlyrp]

I've already explained to you that if they were well managed they could keep the costs down AND treat their employees much better. I know I could get the job done. I've out managed everyone I've ever worked with. I guarantee you I could get the job done.

Apple treats their employees like shit because they are incompetent. Treating employee like shit and getting away with it does not mean you are well managed. It shows Apple doesn't know what they are doing. If you can keep costs low AND treat employees well, you fucking do it. You proved my point. Apple just treats employees like shit because their dicks. They just do it because they can. Not because its the only way. Additionally, Apple has hundreds of thousands of employees at one plant. Haven't they ever heard of automation. There is no need to have that many employees at one plant. If I was managing them, I would automate everything and significantly cut down on employees.

You may not understand this topic as well as me because it is clear you don't have any quality management experience. You don't have experience outperforming your peers like I do. I understand that there are always ways to improve processes and get things done more efficiently. You don't understand this. You think everyone is competent and doing everything perfectly. It doesn't work that way.

I have some management experience, but I know where it doesn't matter, I know when there are loyal customers who will buy my products and services even if I shot my employees, then I need not care. This is the Apple customer cult that allows them to be abusive to their workers, and until that changes, nobody will care.

I have a hard time believing Apple uses human labor in places that are not necessary or are cheaper automated, care to provide ONE example with evidence? I don't care what you think you can do better than Apple, I know you can't outsell them, so brag to me when you do.