There's a monumental difference between publicly funded government unions and private unions. The latter (the right to it) is fundementally part of a free market. The former is an act of aggression and should not be tolerated.
Originally Posted by eduardo89
No property rights, no liberty, no freedom = slave.
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As many have said before in this thread, the workers are taking up these manufacturing jobs because they value the money (albeit low by our standards) much more than the potential risks associated with the jobs. Since mainland China is still undergoing massive amounts of growth in trying to rise out of the tier of developed countries, it is seeing millions of people displaced by modern farming practices and technologies streaming from the countryside into the cities in search of work. These hundreds of millions of migrant workers driving the urbanization of cities (as seen in the industrial revolutions of the West) are the source of China's cheap labor - and a power keg of social instability.
I remember reading some articles last summer when the Apple suicides started happening that explained that many of the workers were vulnerable to depression because they were homesick and continued to feel isolated because they couldn't find other workers from the same home-provinces to connect with (cultural and linguistic barriers). I think I even saw some articles that indicated that some of the workers that killed themselves did so because they felt that the compensation their families could receive as a result of their deaths would be worth much more to them than if they were alive - if this was true, then the fact that they saw themselves as more valuable to their families dead than alive is truly really, really sad.
As an aside, this article over a week ago concerning Apple and China is also interesting:
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/01/22/bu...pagewanted=all
If you read between the lines, you can see how mainland China's current status as a new, developing "Wild West" is conducive for business and how the litany of regulations here at home (OSHA, EPA, DOL, etc.) really hinders the economy here at home.
Additionally, given the conditions under how these phones are fabricated, the cheap components that go into them, and Apple's huge profit margin per phone, it is not hard to see how the general trend in America of style trumping substance (aka the 2008 presidential election, what happened in South Carolina, etc.) can be seen in iPhone sales... However, if you despair about the sheeple in our country, wait until you google the ironic response of iPhone sales in China of all places!
Apples and oranges (no pun intended)
The work is nothing alike. Apple produces electronics. Google employees do not, they are computer technicians and customer service people.
You cannot compare teaching, psychological counseling and financial planning to coal mining, oil drilling , truck driving.
This plan only forces the sweatshop laborers out of jobs. Making little money is better than making even less or none at all. The reason they work in sweatshops is that there's not another, more preferable alternative. Again, I stress that people watch this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dx5fz...layer_embedded
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THIS. having the right perspective is important. if people applied the same labor laws to the 18th century,there would never have been an industrial revolution to benefit the masses
nonsense. they are under no obligation to work there.the only thing that keeps them there is grinding poverty and starvation as an alternative.american workers of today will look like slaves 200 years from now. the working conditions of the past always look atrocious to those enjoying the benefits of division of labor
listen guys, i make around 40k USD in india for work i would have routinely got 120k if i had an US passport .barely median american salary,but my country's standards and purchasing power parity, i am very well off.i can even afford foreign vacations.please get a perspective. and yes,we often pull allnigthers here at work.not because we are slaves,but because most of us want to get away from poverty/mediocrity of the socialist past.it is just too damn recent to forget and demand mollycoddling
If you are really concerned by the conditions in China, you should buy more Chinese products, not less.
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