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Glad you said that, in fact I was recently at a birthday party and I had just gotten my Ron Paul sweater. So i wore it and I was talking to one of the ppl there probably in his 60's, and he soon asked me "are you a Ron Paul supporter?" and I said yes of course, and then I explained to him why, and what was really happening in the government. He liked Ron Paul accept for his FP, and I described to him why our FP is so nuts and that we literally cannot afford to police the world, then I described to him the NDAA and SOPA/PIPA and about the PATRIOT ACT, and he then told me how "ignorance is bliss" and I understood his point because I was in the same boat.. but it really made my blood boil, not against him but against the media.. I didn't blow up on him or anything just urged him to check out RP really.. but it is so true everyone loves ignorance accept for when it will be too late and then they finally have the 'gotcha' effect. But for those 50 and over i've told them 'enough is enough, its time for your crowd to support the younger informed generation of who they want as their president and what kind of country they want their kids to have, you had your chance and you blew it, and now our generation has to suffer the amount of debt your generation heaved on us and its not right'.
Up until July last year, I also was still plugged into the status quo until I started to do more of my own research. The debt situation was hopeless and I knew Paul was the only one serious about tackling the problem. But I couldn't get behind his foreign policy. That is, until I did my own research and actually listened to him.
And I'm with you about feeling betrayed by things like Fox News. I used to be an avid Rush listener, but then he gave this downright hateful monolog about Paul during the Ames Straw poll. I couldn't believe it. It did feel like betrayal because I trusted him for years. But it's clear now that him and others like him are just carrying the water for the Republican establishment. It's sad, but it's also liberating since Paul's the first candidate I know I can trust and can back fully.
Since I'm so interested in politics, I watch Fox, CNN, and MSNBC. I probably watch Fox more than the others. But that doesn't mean that I have to agree with everything that is said on those channels. I have a mind of my own, and I don't allow anyone elses opinions to affect what I believe in.
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This is what RP'S campaign is all about. At first people furiously disagree with RP but as people keep getting heating a cooling cycles of disagreeing with his statements they so start to think about his issues. No one will out and out convince them to RP because that is against human nature but they have to keep hearing the message over and over and think about it a little more each time. Once they have tenatively accepted RP and they state and get attacked is when the real conversion takes place because then they have to research to defend themselves, again human nature. People forget what they argued as well.
For example I have a friend that adamently hated with a passion Dennis kucinich. I told him that I disagreed with most of what kucinich stood for but I respected that he stood for his principals. Six months later I was talking to him and he told like he was telling me new information. "You know I don't like kucinich but you know wht he stands by his principals"
I wonder where he got that
War; everything in the world wrong, evil and immoral combined into one and multiplied by millions.
"And now that the legislators and do-gooders have so futilely inflicted so many systems upon society, may they finally end where they should have begun: May they reject all systems, and try liberty; for liberty is an acknowledgment of faith in God and His works." - Bastiat
"It is difficult to free fools from the chains they revere." - Voltaire
Based on the idea of natural rights, government secures those rights to the individual by strictly negative intervention, making justice costless and easy of access; and beyond that it does not go. The State, on the other hand, both in its genesis and by its primary intention, is purely anti-social. It is not based on the idea of natural rights, but on the idea that the individual has no rights except those that the State may provisionally grant him. It has always made justice costly and difficult of access, and has invariably held itself above justice and common morality whenever it could advantage itself by so doing.
--Albert J. Nock
Your second paragraph needs a slight correction. IMHO, Rush and others like him are just carrying water for the Establishment, period. Doesn't have to be Republican, per se. Republican and Democrat are just two sides of the same coin. Those guys work for the STATUS QUO, the State. They are statist propagandists.
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many people fall for it hook line and sinker, hell i did for many years. now, not so much.
Many prayers are being heard and answered, and you folks are the proof!
Welcome all newcomers!
We all have our story for how we got here. For me, I've been a lifelong small gov't, individual responsibility conservative, and assumed that voting straight R ticket would eventually get America moving in the direction I thought was best. The 2008 election cycle shattered that perception for me, because I realized that even with R's in both houses of Congress and the White House, fedgov increased astronomically.
It took Ron Paul saying it on a debate stage, though, for me to realize it. I remember looking back on the years from 2000-2006 and wondering why FNC and the talk-talks weren't already fueling what should've been my outrage at the exponential increases in gov't size and spending. Then I saw how horribly they started treating a guy who actually had been voting for decades exactly the way I thought all R's should've been voting all along. Boy oh boy, was that a bucket of icewater to the face.
It's great to see, though, that despite the media and the establishment's best attempts to squelch Ron Paul and this awakening, we continue to grow in numbers, and that growth is accelerating.
Rand Paul - The only fiscal conservative in the race.I am a different kind of Republican
"It is from numberless diverse acts of courage and belief that human history is shaped. Each time a person stands up for an ideal, or acts to improve the lot of others, or strikes out against injustice, he sends forth a tiny ripple of hope, and crossing each other from a million different centers of energy and daring, those ripples build a current which can sweep down the mightiest walls of oppression and resistance." Robert Kennedy
http://scully13.wordpress.com/about men of dark intentions
On a side note, I recognized the war mongering of Bill Kristol and John McCain many, many years before I had heard the term neo-conservatism. It was just obvious that those two were coordinated in their propaganda, without knowing a single thing about the groups behind the scenes.
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"Foreign aid is taking money from the poor people of a rich country, and giving it to the rich people of a poor country." - Ron Paul
"Beware the Military-Industrial-Financial-Corporate-Media-Government Complex." - B4L update of General Dwight D. Eisenhower
"Debt is the drug, Wall St. Banksters are the dealers, and politicians are the addicts." - B4L
"Totally free immigration? I've never taken that position. I believe in national sovereignty." - Ron Paul
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Paranoia is having all of the facts.
"Republican and Democrat are just two sides of the same coin".
KNOW IT OR NOT, YOU HAVE SEEN THE LIGHT, AND THAT LIGHT WILL LEAD YOU TO TRUE FREEDOM.
If everyone in the U.S. came to this conclusion, there would be no stopping America.
THE CONSTITUTION IS “A” POLITICAL.
YOU ARE FOR THE CONSTITUTION OR YOU ARE AGAINST IT.
We need to keep this thread alive. It is the true way.
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i had my blinders taken off over 20 years ago.
your skin will grow thick. in a way, it's easier now - you have a support group. back then, i felt alone. there's a reason many of the 'outsiders' that are shunned or made fun of are 'outsiders'. and back then, there wasn't a symbol of liberty like Ron Paul that was so at odds with the intended narrative... while the media manipulation was still prevalent, they were all on the same page, so to speak. Now, Ron Paul's like a neon sign, drawing full attention to their methods. The internet helps too, certainly, because it allows us to connect and share -- verses going 'what the heck was that' and then just watching the next show.
now our numbers are huge. they will tell us we are losing and use all of the language at their fingertips to do so: unelectable. fringe. young. third party. kooky. conspiracy theorists. rude. Everything they can do to keep those with blinders on from actually LOOKING at us, and seeing themselves.
Because that's the trick -- they control the message not by selecting a specific narrative, but by silencing narratives opposed to their own. You can't let people hear a message of truth and liberty, because it risks waking them up.
Welcome to the revolution.
"Ron Paul, not going anywhere. Ideologically pure and tough as nails!"
ABO + NOBP = Ron Paul
Romney - NOBP = Obama
Post Election Addendum -
We warned you. You insulted and cheated us. You lost. Your fault.
“There is nothing conservative about war. For at least the last century war has been the herald and handmaid of socialism and state control. It is the excuse for censorship, organized lying, regulation and taxation. It is paradise for the busybody and the nark. It damages family life and wounds the Church. It is, in short, the ally of everything summed up by the ugly word ‘progress.'” - Peter Hitchens
Been there done that. Was a Rush fan for 20 years and Hannity for 4 or 5 years. FOX News. The whole works. I voted for Paul in 2008 in the primaries but never really got involved in the movement. Then I saw a video one day about a year ago about how FOX ignored Ron Paul in 2008 and even left him out of a debate. I remembered that, but it never really hit me at the time because I got my news from FOX. I then decided to do my own research and was I astounded at the information I found. I woke up in more ways than one. Rush and Hannity simply make me nauseous anymore to listen to and I canceled my cable TV because that is nothing but consumer driven brainwashing too. Nothing to see on the network news channels either. I can watch the streams of the debates still while not supporting them financially.
I do enjoy NPR now. They actually have civil discussions with opposing view points and no yelling.
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before 07, I'd been listening to rush since his old Echostar sat broadcasts that I'd have to fine tune my sat to receive properly. I remember the ross perot days about the black helicopter are coming to get me parodies, and several others that really sunk Perot back in the day.
Looking back now I realize that Rush was always a big govt fraud, and making money off of me and millions of others was his only goal.
I am only 28, but been interested in politics since at least age 6.
No one reads signatures.
Proof of concept. Reason is more powerful than fear.
Yep.Originally Posted by Snowball
I love this thread!! <3
I'm SOOO happy to see such an influx of passionate newcomers! It's amazing how quickly people go from open-mindedness to epiphany to flat-out conviction. The message really is continuing to spread, one person at a time. I'm not sure if there will ever be a ceiling for how high our "hard support" will go, but I'm glad we haven't reached it yet!
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I need an education in US history, from the ground up. Can you help point me to a comprehensive, unbiased, scholarly resource?Originally Posted by President John F. Kennedy
It is crazy that once your eyes are open it is nearly impossible to carry on conversations with people who still think the way you used to. You just cannot reverse your mind back to the state of ignorance they are in (and you used to be in) once your eyes are open. It is frustrating trying to help open their eyes because it is so obvious to you but not to them, you just want to say "open your eyes!" and have them see, but it is a slow process.
I am working on refining my defense of liberty enough to help bring other conservatives out of the days of ignorance and in to the light.
It really is an apocalypse (unveiling). The veil from your eyes is lifted and you can't ever put it back on.
(for me the veil was lifted in 2000/2001 when Republicans had total control and did NOTHING to change our federal government - that's when they lost me!)