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  1. #61
    Quote Originally Posted by BuddyRey View Post
    What do you guys think of the Blood Type hypothesis as an indicator of what an individual's diet should be? I've actually read that some people have evolved the gene for maintaining their health with an agrarian diet, but that this is only among a small segment of people.
    My understanding is that it has been pretty well debunked as being devoid of any scientific basis. I have not looked into it myself because primal/paleo seems to me to have the strongest scientific basis AND it has made a new man out of me.
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  3. #62
    Quote Originally Posted by ShaneEnochs View Post
    I drink roughly one to two gallons of water a day. I'm always thirsty.

    And because I know someone will suggest this, I've been tested numerous times. I'm not diabetic.
    Have you been tested for Diabetes insipidus? It's not the same as regular diabetes.
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  4. #63
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    I also drink at least 1.5 gallons a day. Probably 2.5 gallons a day.

  5. #64
    Quote Originally Posted by pcgame View Post
    I also drink at least 1.5 gallons a day. Probably 2.5 gallons a day.
    There IS such a thing as drinking too much water.
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  7. #65
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    I always thought about 1 gallon of h20 a day is normal and since I am big guy I can drink 1.5+.

  8. #66
    Quote Originally Posted by Acala View Post
    There IS such a thing as drinking too much water.
    Oh yes there is. I drank too much water one day and felt dizzy/sick.
    Researched it and found that sure enough, even too much water can kill you!
    Did you hear about the woman that DIED in a radio station's "drink the most water contest?"
    Last edited by vechorik; 04-02-2012 at 10:51 AM.
    Speak the truth, even if your voice shakes.

  9. #67
    Quote Originally Posted by vechorik View Post
    Oh yes there is. I drank too much water one day and felt dizzy/sick.
    Researched it and found that sure enough, even too much water can kill you!
    Did you hear about the woman that DIED in a radio station's "drink the most water contest?"
    This was a little different. She was purposely holding her bladder, so her blood sodium levels dropped and brain swelled.

    But it is true. The most common way to get water intoxication is drinking tons of water after sweating a lot. You have to replace electrolytes along with the water. It's the imbalance of electrolytes that makes water "toxic" in large quantities.
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  10. #68
    How do you replenish electrolytes without drinking sweet drinks like Gatorade? Don't want to add the calories I just burned off.

  11. #69
    Quote Originally Posted by JudgeNapFan View Post
    How do you replenish electrolytes without drinking sweet drinks like Gatorade? Don't want to add the calories I just burned off.
    Fruit juice is good for fuel when burning a lot of energy (like on hot days or intense work). I personally prefer water, though. I know other weight lifters who drink "recovery drinks" after a workout...but too pricey for my blood.
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  12. #70
    Hubby and I went primal about a month ago. Tossed our statin drugs!
    Time will tell.

    I need to lose weight, but hubby is skinny. I must say, I'm NEVER hungry eating primal.
    Fat and meat go a very long way in keeping hunger at bay.
    I'm logging my food to see exactly what nutrients, fat, protein I'm eating, etc.
    It's amazing that my calories are so low, yet I feel so satisfied.
    Some days, I have to MAKE myself eat something to up my calorie level.

    You liberty people already know how the government lies. You wouldn't be surprised, would you, to learn that they lied to America about their diet?
    Great movie reveals all -- "Fat Head" --- shows all the government lies when it comes to eating/health/food pyramid/cholesterol..... on and on.
    Speak the truth, even if your voice shakes.

  13. #71
    Quote Originally Posted by vechorik View Post
    Hubby and I went primal about a month ago. Tossed our statin drugs!
    Time will tell.

    I need to lose weight, but hubby is skinny. I must say, I'm NEVER hungry eating primal.
    Fat and meat go a very long way in keeping hunger at bay.
    I'm logging my food to see exactly what nutrients, fat, protein I'm eating, etc.
    It's amazing that my calories are so low, yet I feel so satisfied.
    Some days, I have to MAKE myself eat something to up my calorie level.

    You liberty people already know how the government lies. You wouldn't be surprised, would you, to learn that they lied to America about their diet?
    Great movie reveals all -- "Fat Head" --- shows all the government lies when it comes to eating/health/food pyramid/cholesterol..... on and on.
    +rep Fat Head is awesome too.
    Quote Originally Posted by Torchbearer
    what works can never be discussed online. there is only one language the government understands, and until the people start speaking it by the magazine full... things will remain the same.
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  14. #72
    Quote Originally Posted by JudgeNapFan View Post
    How do you replenish electrolytes without drinking sweet drinks like Gatorade? Don't want to add the calories I just burned off.
    Well you could just put some sea salt in water. When I say some, I mean like 1/4 teaspoon. You don't want to be drinking salt water....lol They also make electrolyte powders which are meant to be added into water too. Like this one http://www.amazon.com/Hammer-Endurol.../dp/B001AX8JF4
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  16. #73
    Quote Originally Posted by ShaneEnochs View Post
    Sounds like a variation of the Atkins diet.
    Paleo is not trying to eliminate carbs. Fruits are fine. But they are trying to eliminate legumes, grains, and correct the hugely out-of-whack ratio of Omega 6 to Omega 3 fatty acids that modern western diets have developed. But the latter requires eating almost no processed oils or factory farmed meats fed on grain and corn. But, rather, eating grass fed meats or wild fish, and cooking in coconut oil or lard or tallow from grass fed animals.

  17. #74
    Quote Originally Posted by Bruehound View Post
    I'm 8 days in and feeling great. i can tell already the hardest part is finding sources of natural/organic foods so that I am never tempted to eat a barcode again!
    It's not only about "organic." There are tons of "organic" meats out there that are raised on grain, and therefore have a terrible Omega-6:3 ratio. You can correct for this by buying 100% grass fed beef, pork, lamb, chicken, goat, etc. It's more expensive in terms of $$$. Wild salmon is good. Look into fish oil supplements. I started paleo about 10 days ago and I am intrigued with this product since it undergoes no heating process or chemical refinement:

    http://www.vitalchoice.com/shop/pc/v...idcategory=239

  18. #75
    Quote Originally Posted by KingNothing View Post
    I read about this diet about five years ago and have been doing a variant of it ever since. I just call it "common sense." Vegetables good. Processed food and sugars are bad.

    Count your calories, and pack a lot of nutrients into your meals and you'll be fine.
    Are you concerned about your Omega-3 to Omega-6 fatty acid ratio?

  19. #76
    Quote Originally Posted by Freebie View Post
    It's funny, 2 of my biggest interests lately have been RP/Liberty and Primal eating/lifestyle. Looks like Tom Woods is bringing the 2 together as well!

    http://www.tomwoods.com/blog/going-primal/

    The diet is basically Paleo style, eliminating grains and processed carbs, and embracing vegetables and high fat/protein animal foods. I just finished reading the book, and the science is very solid. It is based in evolutionary biology and working with your hormones, not against them. Also, the takes on exercise and lifestyle are great and scientifically sound.

    Any other Primal folks here on RPF?
    If it is based on evolution, then it is a biased view of health. I think the evolutionary view of the world is deeply flawed and not backed by science, so I would question the validity of any health program based on evolution. What's more, it commits the is-aught fallacy. Just because our "ancestors" ate certain things, that doesn't mean it's what we should eat. Also, our ancestors may not be what evolutionists think they were, so trying to make your diet simple in that context means absolutely nothing.

    Real health advice is based on what the body has demonstrated it needs, not what our history is. It really shouldn't matter. You don't see a "creation diet" fad. That's because we don't have to study our origins to know what is good for us.
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  20. #77
    Quote Originally Posted by trey4sports View Post
    I tend to err on the side of a more raw foods lifestyle as opposed to primal.
    Eating raw is ALWAYS better than following any of these diets that base the whole thing on elimination of a certain kind of food. Carbs have their place. If you look in natural, non-meat sources for your food, you will be better off. Diet perfection, of course, requires much more knowledge than just what you find in nature, and breaks down certain food groups, but trying to restrict yourself on one certain thing that you find in food is a very narrow view. People don't understand as much as they think they do about what happens to food in the body. It can appear harmful at first and then turn out to be a benefit.
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  21. #78
    Quote Originally Posted by anaconda View Post
    Are you concerned about your Omega-3 to Omega-6 fatty acid ratio?
    Study up on it and you'll discover the "magic cholesterol" number is more complicated than you think.
    The movie "Fat Head" not only exposes the lies, the guy did a 30-day demonstration by eating at McDonald's everyday (the entire point is to expose the "McDonald's makes you fat movie") and the organization behind the low-fat craze.
    Speak the truth, even if your voice shakes.

  22. #79
    Speaking of liberty and diet:

    NC State Threatens to Shut Down Nutrition Blogger (Paleo)
    Nutrition board says he needs a license to advocate dietary approaches


    http://www.carolinajournal.com/exclu...e.html?id=8992
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  23. #80
    Quote Originally Posted by KingNothing View Post
    I read about this diet about five years ago and have been doing a variant of it ever since. I just call it "common sense." Vegetables good. Processed food and sugars are bad.

    Count your calories, and pack a lot of nutrients into your meals and you'll be fine.
    Don't get me wrong, this is a great strategy, but I just don't rely on the world "Paleo" as if it meant something. I agree with much of what the diet is about, but I am inherently distrustful of these systems "this good-that bad" diets. Eat raw vegan, and everything else takes care of itself. You just have to make sure you are balancing your vitamins and minerals right by choosing the right sources, and you should be good. Don't worry about consuming or not consuming cholesterol, carbs, or fats. Just get the right balance from raw, natural sources, and you don't have to worry about how it breaks down in your body.

    Also, this goes a bit deeper, but mixing the right foods is important. If you are having fruits (no need to concern yourself with how much sugar it contains as long as you are getting enough in nominal units but not too much), it is important to wait an hour before eating other types of foods (there are a few classifications, such as grains, veggies, proteins, and, believe it or not, melons). Melons are different from fruits and include honeydew, cantelope, and watermelon. Vegetables and proteins can be mixed, but grains and proteins (bread and meat or nuts) should not be mixed.

    Also, a very good bit of advice is not to have liquids when you are eating meat. They dilute the proteins in the stomach that digest the meat and can really hold up your system. It is best to wait 1 hour between having meat and drinking. If not an hour, the more time the better. I have always noticed that, if I eat meat and drink too close together, some of it starts to come up and I feel queasy. It is not a good idea to drink a lot of anything while you are eating, but especially while you are eating meat. Of course, this assumes you are going to eat meat. If you feel you can keep up with the demands of a limited raw vegan diet, then you will definitely feel better as a result, but it is very hard to expect people to limit themselves that much. Most importantly, though, it is important to avoid dairy products. That is the one thing that I have usually tried to stick with because I can deal with that, and avoiding them can be very beneficial. My sinuses have never been clearer as when I avoided dairy products, and that was for about 3 years straight. It got way too hard in college, but at home it wasn't that hard at all.

    Also, if you want to hear why I believe in raw vegan, I will tell you. In 2006, I went straight up vegan and mostly raw for about 4-5months. Although it was sometimes very hard to find enough calories without being overly redundant and sacrificing diversity, when I did find enough, I had never felt better in my life. One instance is when I had been following the diet for about 3 months. I was a runner back then, and during a high school cross country race, I literally had boundless energy. It was like nothing I'd ever experienced in my life. I ran to the point where my muscles simply couldn't stretch any farther, but I still was not tired. I ran as hard as I could and my body simply refused to feel any sense of fatigue. No burning muscles, no labored breathing, just fluid movement. The only thing that was limiting me was my range of motion in my muscles. I went up hills as fast as I could and barely felt any difference to when I was on flat ground, and I sprinted without being able to feel any sense of fatigue. I stopped running at the end of the race and felt like I had went for a light walk. There were at least a few races that I felt especially good in, but that one was unlike anything I had ever experienced.
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  25. #81
    Quote Originally Posted by ShaneEnochs View Post
    I drink roughly one to two gallons of water a day. I'm always thirsty.

    And because I know someone will suggest this, I've been tested numerous times. I'm not diabetic.
    One to two GALLONS? I would get that checked out, because something has to be wrong for you to be THAT thirsty. I drank about a gallon per day when I was following a strenuous exercise plan. And by strenuous, I don't mean average Joe's idea of strenuous. I mean pro-athlete type strenuous work during hot weather. If you weren't doing something similar, then your body is not very efficient at hydrating itself.
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  26. #82
    Quote Originally Posted by PaulConventionWV View Post
    If it is based on evolution, then it is a biased view of health.
    You might enjoy Gary North's take on it, then:

    http://lewrockwell.com/north/north1126.html

  27. #83
    Quote Originally Posted by vechorik View Post
    Oh yes there is. I drank too much water one day and felt dizzy/sick.
    Researched it and found that sure enough, even too much water can kill you!
    Did you hear about the woman that DIED in a radio station's "drink the most water contest?"
    I've heard about that. Have you heard about the frat boy who got initiated by standing on a bench and chugging water continuously? He ended up having about 60 gallons and died tragically and terribly in the basement of a frat house.

    He pissed on the floor, so he wasn't holding his bladder, so you can still die from too much water even without holding your bladder, as I saw mentioned above.
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  28. #84
    Quote Originally Posted by vechorik View Post
    Study up on it and you'll discover the "magic cholesterol" number is more complicated than you think.
    The movie "Fat Head" not only exposes the lies, the guy did a 30-day demonstration by eating at McDonald's everyday (the entire point is to expose the "McDonald's makes you fat movie") and the organization behind the low-fat craze.
    What was the point of eating at McDonald's every day? Wasn't there a movie on that exact same thing called "Supersize Me"?
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  29. #85
    Quote Originally Posted by PaulConventionWV View Post
    What was the point of eating at McDonald's every day? Wasn't there a movie on that exact same thing called "Supersize Me"?
    Yep -- and it's all a lie. That's why "Fat Head" was made. To expose "Supersize Me" -- agenda and to prove it (with tests, history (of corruption) and science)
    Speak the truth, even if your voice shakes.

  30. #86
    Quote Originally Posted by helmuth_hubener View Post
    You might enjoy Gary North's take on it, then:

    http://lewrockwell.com/north/north1126.html
    I thoroughly enjoyed that article, and I agree. Thanks for sharing.
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  31. #87
    Quote Originally Posted by vechorik View Post
    Yep -- and it's all a lie. That's why "Fat Head" was made. To expose "Supersize Me" -- agenda and to prove it (with tests, history (of corruption) and science)
    You can't possibly be claiming that McDonald's is healthy.
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  32. #88
    Quote Originally Posted by PaulConventionWV View Post
    You can't possibly be claiming that McDonald's is healthy.
    Mcdonald's doesn't have to be healthy in order to show that "supersize me" was a load of exaggerated crap.



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  34. #89
    Quote Originally Posted by PaulConventionWV View Post
    You can't possibly be claiming that McDonald's is healthy.
    No way. McDonald's does serve unhealthy stuff, but part of the point of the movie was to show the severe bias done in Supersize Me. He shows that you can lose weight eating at McDonald's and actually be healthy, but it comes down to choices and exercise. His other major point in the movie was to show the history of propaganda and mis-information used to push low-fat diets. It centers around the bad conclusions taken out of the Lipid Hypothesis.
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  35. #90
    i am indian (dot not red).my ancestors have been yogurt+rice eating high iq,low disease,80+ living people for so many generations now.maybe primal is good for inuits(who die at 40 btw).different diets for different people. there is nothing primal about eating meat.
    i'd say,eat food that is relevant to your culture,climate and lifestyle.

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