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    It's funny, 2 of my biggest interests lately have been RP/Liberty and Primal eating/lifestyle. Looks like Tom Woods is bringing the 2 together as well!

    http://www.tomwoods.com/blog/going-primal/

    The diet is basically Paleo style, eliminating grains and processed carbs, and embracing vegetables and high fat/protein animal foods. I just finished reading the book, and the science is very solid. It is based in evolutionary biology and working with your hormones, not against them. Also, the takes on exercise and lifestyle are great and scientifically sound.

    Any other Primal folks here on RPF?



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    I believe in primal as scientifically valid and the healthiest way to live. Unfortunately, I just wasn't raised to appreciate vegetables at all, and pastas & grains are among my very favorite things to eat. There's just no way I'd be able to stick to it religiously.
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    It's definitely a tough switch to make, I kind of switched into it slowly over time. I gotta say, a nice dallop of grass-fed butter on vegetables goes a long way to making me appreciate them

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    Sounds like a variation of the Atkins diet.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ShaneEnochs View Post
    Sounds like a variation of the Atkins diet.
    Basically, but with more vegetables and some fruit. Atkins was definitely right about carbs though - carbs kill.

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    I wonder if your appendix will start to do something on that diet.

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    I can gain weigh drinking a black coffee sometimes ... I do best when i eat regularly and then get my body use of it , then workout hard for a while and the pounds drop off ... good luck on this one
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    I'm primal. It's awesome.

    There are some significant differences from Atkins.

    Atkins is really only concerned with carbs.

    Primal is concerned with micronutriets as well. For example, Primal is concerned with proper essential fatty acid balance.


    Atkins doesn't really care about the source of food.

    Primal looks to minimize toxins by using natural, organic food.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BuddyRey View Post
    I believe in primal as scientifically valid and the healthiest way to live. Unfortunately, I just wasn't raised to appreciate vegetables at all, and pastas & grains are among my very favorite things to eat. There's just no way I'd be able to stick to it religiously.
    Try eating pasta plain for a while and then tell me you really like it. Pasta without sauce is about as delicious as mud. So it is really the sauce you like and, assuming you avoid bad oils and use grass fed meat, most pasta sauce is perfectly fine on a primal diet. You just need to put it on something other than pasta. Like spaghetti squash or cauliflower-rice.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Freebie View Post
    Basically, but with more vegetables and some fruit. Atkins was definitely right about carbs though - carbs kill.
    Atkins died of a heart attack. And it's a horrible diet, because when the eliminate all carbs and whatnot, your cholesterol skyrockets and you're susceptible to stroke or heart attack. All things in moderation.

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    I'm 8 days in and feeling great. i can tell already the hardest part is finding sources of natural/organic foods so that I am never tempted to eat a barcode again!

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    I tend to err on the side of a more raw foods lifestyle as opposed to primal.

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    Paleo here. I find my grass fed meats at the local food coop. All the bad press about saturated fats is a lie. Your brain needs sat. fats to function properly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blankstare View Post
    Atkins died of a heart attack. And it's a horrible diet, because when the eliminate all carbs and whatnot, your cholesterol skyrockets and you're susceptible to stroke or heart attack. All things in moderation.
    http://www.snopes.com/medical/doctor/atkins.asp

    Cholesterol will actually go down.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Blankstare View Post
    Atkins died of a heart attack. And it's a horrible diet, because when the eliminate all carbs and whatnot, your cholesterol skyrockets and you're susceptible to stroke or heart attack. All things in moderation.
    Fail.

    Atkins died when he fell on the ice and whacked his head on the sidewalk. Besides, Primal is not Atkins.

    Carbohydrates are not required in the human diet AT ALL. The Inuit traditionally had a virtually carb-free diet and did fine, thank you.

    You are basing your position on bad data and government propaganda. The relationship between dietary cholesterol and blood cholesterol levels is insignificant. Your body MAKES cholesterol if the blood level falls too low because cholesterol is an essential substance for many bodily needs. If you have too much cholesterol it is an indicator of inflammation. But lipitor is the largest selling drug in Big Pharma's catalog, so the big money is on "treating" cholesterol levels.

    Cardiovascular disease is an INFLAMMATORY illness. If you have arterial plaques it is because the walls of your blood vessels are being damaged by chronic inflammation. It does relate to diet, but not because of cholesterol or fat levels in food. Rather, it is the inflammatory effects of bad diet that cause cardiovascular disease.

    If you want to talk about what causes chronic, systemic inflammation, we can do that. Here's a hint: it ISN'T dietary saturated fat.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Blankstare View Post
    Atkins died of a heart attack. And it's a horrible diet, because when the eliminate all carbs and whatnot, your cholesterol skyrockets and you're susceptible to stroke or heart attack. All things in moderation.
    It's not about eliminating all carbs. It's about getting carbs from the proper sources-vegetables, fruit, etc.-not grains. Your body is not designed for a high grain diet. I've never read Atkins' work, but I changed my diet to a "primal" one a few months ago, and I've been very fit. Gained muscle and lost fat in conjunction with exercise. A better book than Atkins' is "The Paleo Diet For Athletes". http://www.amazon.com/Paleo-Diet-Athletes-Nutritional-Performance/dp/1594860890

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    I currently eat primal about 70 percent of the time, but I do cheat quite often because of my love of alchohol. However; about a year ago I went full on primal for about 3.5 months. Shed a ridiculous amount of weight. I just eat primal enough now to ensure I do not gain the weaight back. All in all a great life style, but I unfortunately am just a weak willed human.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Freebie View Post
    Basically, but with more vegetables and some fruit. Atkins was definitely right about carbs though - carbs kill.
    Quote Originally Posted by Blankstare View Post
    Atkins died of a heart attack. And it's a horrible diet, because when the eliminate all carbs and whatnot, your cholesterol skyrockets and you're susceptible to stroke or heart attack. All things in moderation.
    well....kinda sorta.

    Eating refined carbs like sugar and white flour are not good for you, not in any way.

    vegetables, whole grains and other carbs that don't spike your insulin levels are great for your body. Particularly vegetables which are antioxidant rich.

    as far as primal goes, my biggest concern is that very high protein diets have been connected to high rates of cancer and disease whereas you see the exact opposite in raw food diets.

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    I read about this diet about five years ago and have been doing a variant of it ever since. I just call it "common sense." Vegetables good. Processed food and sugars are bad.

    Count your calories, and pack a lot of nutrients into your meals and you'll be fine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by trey4sports View Post
    well....kinda sorta.

    Eating refined carbs like sugar and white flour are not good for you, not in any way.

    vegetables, whole grains and other carbs that don't spike your insulin levels are great for your body. Particularly vegetables which are antioxidant rich.

    as far as primal goes, my biggest concern is that very high protein diets have been connected to high rates of cancer and disease whereas you see the exact opposite in raw food diets
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    Correlation is not causation. Many other cultures still live a "primal" type lifestyle and are healthier than typical western high-carb diets. I believe this was mentioned earlier in the thread.

    btw-grains do spike insulin levels. That's why high-carb diets often lead to insulin resistence and type II diabetes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Blankstare View Post
    Atkins died of a heart attack. And it's a horrible diet, because when the eliminate all carbs and whatnot, your cholesterol skyrockets and you're susceptible to stroke or heart attack. All things in moderation.
    And the carbs in fruits and vegetables give you energy.

    The key is to eat the right types of carbs!

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    Quote Originally Posted by heavenlyboy34 View Post
    Correlation is not causation. Many other cultures still live a "primal" type lifestyle and are healthier than typical western high-carb diets. I believe this was mentioned earlier in the thread.

    btw-grains do spike insulin levels. That's why high-carb diets often lead to insulin resistence and type II diabetes.

    yeah, and i would make a similar argument to the one you made..... correlation is not necessarily causation. There are a lot more variables at play.

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    Quote Originally Posted by trey4sports View Post
    well....kinda sorta.

    Eating refined carbs like sugar and white flour are not good for you, not in any way.

    vegetables, whole grains and other carbs that don't spike your insulin levels are great for your body. Particularly vegetables which are antioxidant rich.

    as far as primal goes, my biggest concern is that very high protein diets have been connected to high rates of cancer and disease whereas you see the exact opposite in raw food diets.
    Ever see Fork Over Knife? It's an interesting documentary that agrees with your premise, though I'm not entirely sold on it.

    I would suggest that it's best to just keep it simple - eat as many vegetables as you can. Eat some fruit and nuts. Eat less chicken and eggs. Eat even less red meat. Avoid refined sugars, fried foods, white bread, etc

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    Quote Originally Posted by BuddyRey View Post
    I believe in primal as scientifically valid and the healthiest way to live. Unfortunately, I just wasn't raised to appreciate vegetables at all, and pastas & grains are among my very favorite things to eat. There's just no way I'd be able to stick to it religiously.

    try some spaghetti squash in place of noodles. Delicious.

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    The hardest thing about getting over simple carbs is that they're actually addicting. Your body craves that garbage for some reason, and it takes a week or two to get it completely over the junk. Once you get through that phase, it becomes much easier.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KingNothing View Post
    Ever see Fork Over Knife? It's an interesting documentary that agrees with your premise, though I'm not entirely sold on it.

    I would suggest that it's best to just keep it simple - eat as many vegetables as you can. Eat some fruit and nuts. Eat less chicken and eggs. Eat even less red meat. Avoid refined sugars, fried foods, white bread, etc

    yup. Part of how i got interested in a raw diet. Granted, my diet is probably 70% raw at this time. I eat meat, but as a general rule the guidelines above are pretty much how I eat.

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    Quote Originally Posted by trey4sports View Post
    yeah, and i would make a similar argument to the one you made..... correlation is not necessarily causation. There are a lot more variables at play.
    Yep. Without exercise, you'll get fat on any kind of diet. Other cultures that have long been on a paleo lifestyle aren't sedentary like Americans usually are. I didn't mean to say that diet is the only factor. It is critical, though. High carb diets also make your body's ph acidic, making it difficult to absorb nutrients, btw. The person on a high-carb diet and alkaline ph is so rare that it's statistically insignificant.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KingNothing View Post
    Ever see Fork Over Knife? It's an interesting documentary that agrees with your premise, though I'm not entirely sold on it.

    I would suggest that it's best to just keep it simple - eat as many vegetables as you can. Eat some fruit and nuts. Eat less chicken and eggs. Eat even less red meat. Avoid refined sugars, fried foods, white bread, etc
    What's wrong with chicken, eggs, and red meat? These are all great protein sources. All the weight lifters I know eat them. They also eat lots of vegetables.
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