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Thread: NYTimes: Focusing on Nomination, Paul Plots a Backup Plan

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    NYTimes: Focusing on Nomination, Paul Plots a Backup Plan

    http://www.nytimes.com/2012/01/16/us...gate-math.html

    But that is a fallback strategy, and Mr. Paul and his advisers say they are in it to win. They see a route to obtaining the 1,144 delegates needed by not overemphasizing primaries in expensive media markets, especially those where it is harder for independents to vote, and focusing on less-flashy contests where the expected cost per delegate is weighted more in their favor.

    They will also try to win delegates through the machinery of state parties, where Paul supporters are now embedded in the apparatus. In Iowa, for example, whose delegates are not explicitly tied to caucus results, they believe they can take delegates that might otherwise be awarded to Rick Santorum, who essentially tied for first place with Mr. Romney, one Paul official said.

    This “Moneyball”-like approach to delegates, which takes a page from the 2008 campaign of Barack Obama, is about to be put into play. Mr. Paul may make only one stop in Florida before that state’s Jan. 31 primary and will instead focus his efforts after the South Carolina primary on Saturday on caucuses in Colorado, Maine, Minnesota and Nevada and other places where the cost of television and mail programs is less expensive and where election rules favor his strategy.

    People close to the Paul campaign say it would cost them $9 million to $10 million to run an effective campaign in Florida, where only about 50 delegates are at stake. Florida is a closed primary, so independent voters important to Mr. Paul’s strong showing in Iowa and New Hampshire cannot register just before the election. The state is also a winner-take-all contest, meaning only the victor walks away with delegates.

    “There are four big caucuses coming up, with twice as many delegates as Florida, that will cost a third as much money, and we are focused on those,” one Paul official said.

    With 28 delegates at stake, North Dakota also illustrates the strategy: the Paul campaign estimates that it will cost just $500,000 to run an effective campaign there, and delegates are awarded proportionately, so even if they do not finish first they could walk away with a decent allotment.
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    weird quotes - I'd love to hear the whole conversation.

    One thing is clear, this time would have been better spent on SC outlets this week.
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    So even as the campaign has a “path to victory” that it is committed to pursuing aggressively, said Jesse Benton, Mr. Paul’s national campaign chairman, it does not expect to compromise if it is a runner-up. “If there were any negotiations after another candidate secured the nomination, our first rule and guiding principle is that we would refuse to allow our movement and our ideas to be co-opted,” Mr. Benton said
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    THIS is why it's important to become a delegate.

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    Is Florida really winner take all? I thought it was proportional.

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    Thanks for cutting out the ridiculous fluff that people shouldn't have to be put through, Sailing. I don't know what the guys at the campaign are trying to achieve by publicly becoming half defeatist all of a sudden.

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    the campaign is EXPLICIT that the liberty movement will not be hijacked. so stop IMMEDIATELY the crappy Rand as VP and other bogus ideas.These weak supporters of liberty NEED TO WAKE UP AND LISTEN TO THE CAMPAIGN NOW.

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    I take it as a warning to the establishment that reiterates our power in the event we do not win the nomination: We will not compromise our principles...so nominate Romney at your own peril.
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    They will also try to win delegates through the machinery of state parties, where Paul supporters are now embedded in the apparatus.
    Love this line!!!!

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    They will also try to win delegates through the machinery of state parties, where Paul supporters are now embedded in the apparatus.
    I so hope the thought of not knowing who in the party might be a secret RP supporter keeps many party heads awake at night
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    Quote Originally Posted by idiom View Post
    I so hope the thought of not knowing who in the party might be a secret RP supporter keeps many party heads awake at night
    They're everywheeeeeeeeeere lol
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    Quote Originally Posted by idiom View Post
    I so hope the thought of not knowing who in the party might be a secret RP supporter keeps many party heads awake at night
    They're right to be afraid! Our support is truly nearing the tipping point, and once it does, party members will know they can openly support Paul without fear of retribution.
    Quote Originally Posted by President John F. Kennedy
    And we must face the fact that the United States is neither omnipotent nor omniscient. That we are only 6% of the world's population, and that we cannot impose our will upon the other 94% of mankind. That we cannot right every wrong or reverse each adversity, and that therefore there cannot be an American solution to every world problem.
    I need an education in US history, from the ground up. Can you help point me to a comprehensive, unbiased, scholarly resource?

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    Dang, this article is full of loser talk. Hopefully the context is wrong, and we really are trying to win the nomination.
    Last edited by Bama Boy; 01-16-2012 at 12:26 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bama Boy View Post
    Dang, this article is fool of loser talk. Hopefully the context is wrong, and we really are trying to win the nomination.
    I think the context is, "One way or the other, it's going to be Paul vs Obama, so you might as well get behind Paul now."

    It's winner talk!

    It's pretty much like saying, "Come out with your hands up. We have you surrounded." lol
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    Ahuwale Ka Nane Huna translation- What was secret is no longer hidden.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bama Boy View Post
    Dang, this article is fool of loser talk. Hopefully the context is wrong, and we really are trying to win the nomination.
    Clearly the campaign stressed we are trying to win, and they mention that, but their focus is obviously elsewhere.
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    very good strategy.
    its not a sprint, its a marathon !
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    Paul's "Moneyball" approach to winning the nomination

    Paul's "Moneyball" approach to winning the nomination:

    Mr. Paul and his advisers say they are in it to win. They see a route to obtaining the 1,144 delegates needed by not overemphasizing primaries in expensive media markets, especially those where it is harder for independents to vote, and focusing on less-flashy contests where the expected cost per delegate is weighted more in their favor.

    They will also try to win delegates through the machinery of state parties, where Paul supporters are now embedded in the apparatus. In Iowa, for example, whose delegates are not explicitly tied to caucus results, they believe they can take delegates that might otherwise be awarded to Rick Santorum, who essentially tied for first place with Mr. Romney, one Paul official said.

    This “Moneyball”-like approach to delegates, which takes a page from the 2008 campaign of Barack Obama, is about to be put into play. Mr. Paul may make only one stop in Florida before that state’s Jan. 31 primary and will instead focus his efforts after the South Carolina primary on Saturday on caucuses in Colorado, Maine, Minnesota and Nevada and other places where the cost of television and mail programs is less expensive and where election rules favor his strategy.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2012/01/16/us...math.html?_r=1
    Last edited by Taco John; 01-16-2012 at 12:26 AM.

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    "Integrity means having to say things that people don't want to hear & especially to say things that the regime doesn't want to hear.” -Ron Paul

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    Quote Originally Posted by BLS View Post
    THIS is why it's important to become a delegate.
    Quote Originally Posted by idiom View Post
    I so hope the thought of not knowing who in the party might be a secret RP supporter keeps many party heads awake at night
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    That is why we need a 3 person marathon to do it.



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