give details, IMO.
Even Frothy is giving details (stats, laws/bills etc.) on questions asked.
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Ron gives lots of details, but he also goes abstract, sometimes at the right times, sometimes not.
Perfection is difficult, though.
"Integrity means having to say things that people don't want to hear & especially to say things that the regime doesn't want to hear. -Ron Paul
"Bathtub falls and police officers kill more Americans than terrorism, yet we've been asked to sacrifice our most sacred rights for fear of falling victim to it." -Edward Snowden
Hopefully the campaign if fully briefing him on the key issues related to the intended audience. It might mean we don't like the responses because we are thinking of the national audience. I thought he did NOT handle the criticism on defense and the Straight of Hormuz accusations well last night and this morning, but "liberty" is probably a larger issue in New Hampshire with the independents who may already agree with him on foreign policy. But he will need to change his strategy for SC.
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I don't know about that.
I think we don't have enough 'abstract', to be honest. Everyone wants concrete plans on minute details and Ron Paul's entire philosophy is that the federal government shouldn't even be doing those things, so it would seem like a contradiction to his entire platform, lol.
I know what you're saying, though, in that it makes it look like the candidates have a plan if they talk about specific things. Romney laid out a whole plan on Natural Gas which is totally irrelevant since the Fed.gov doesn't even need to do anything (except get out of the way) for the market to take care of energy.
Then Ron Paul chimes in with something like 'what the role of government ought to be' and it sails right over the voters' heads (unfortunately)
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Originally Posted by timosman
This is getting silly.T.S. Eliot's The Hollow Men
"One of the penalties for refusing to participate in politics is that you end up being governed by your inferiors." - Plato
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I do agree on this. I believe that the average republican doesn't give a damn about liberty. They care more about Iran and the economy.
I was saying the same thing. What is the word "liberty" suppose to mean to anyone when he says it? He might as well be saying we need to return to apples. Most americans have no idea just how badly their liberties have been stepped on through regulations, laws and policies, and how they just make life so much harder for the average Joe to eek out a decent living. RP needs to explain more specificically where it's been lost and how and why protecting liberty is important in a way the average Joe can get it.
Even if he said something like " A return to the freedoms that makes it easier for everyone to get a piece of the American pie" the people would be like , " YES YES YES!!
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Yeah cheesy stuff like that usually turns republicans on.
This is getting silly.T.S. Eliot's The Hollow Men
"One of the penalties for refusing to participate in politics is that you end up being governed by your inferiors." - Plato
We Are Running Out of Time - Mini Me
Ron should stop saying "liberty" and "freedom" when the others quit saying "Reagan" "Iran" "War" "God" "Constitution", etc. Not that I am saying those words are bad, I am simply stating the fact that the other candidates say these bingo type words to catch the crowd's attention. It happens every debate. Newt mentions Reagan at every debate, and is usually first to do so. That's his code word to pique the crowd's interests.
Anyone familiar with "Family Guy?" Anyone see the episode where Lois runs for mayor? And Brian tells her that she needs to say stupid and simple things, because undecided voters are "the most ignorant people on this planet." Lois tries to go into detail about her plans, but realizes that she needs to take Brian's advice. So, she starts saying "9/11" and "Terrorism is bad" in a monotone voice, and the crowd cheers and goes wild.
That's what it's like.
This is getting silly.T.S. Eliot's The Hollow Men
"One of the penalties for refusing to participate in politics is that you end up being governed by your inferiors." - Plato
We Are Running Out of Time - Mini Me
If only Ron Paul was half as smart as some on RPF think they are. Then RP would be the ruler of the Universe.
(Sarcasm)
Life is not a movie & liberty will not be delivered on a bed of feathers.
I think it should be obvious that his target audience is a group of people whose state motto is "live free or die".
Hes a champion of liberty and I think the campaign must have felt that the term "liberty" has to be associated with Ron Paul in the mind of NH voters.
i will say it for you with out sarcasm tag , If only Ron Paul was half as smart as some on RPF think they are.If only Ron Paul was half as smart as some on RPF think they are. Then RP would be the ruler of the Universe.
(Sarcasm)
2016 gop est business as usual, rules do not apply.
Exactly, thank you.
I encourage people to watch this video. As most of us may know, this is what we are up against.
Amateurs really need to stop giving advice to someone who's given speeches for 30+ years. I'm pretty tired of reading this crap.
Liberty, liberty, liberty, almost all of his positions make sense once someone takes the time to look up liberty. He knows what he is doing, it is up to the rest to take his lead and learn it, love it, live it.
All of his talk of liberty and freedom are what brought me to Ron Paul. That and his consistent background. Freedom and Liberty is a universal message that appeals to most Americans regardless of their favorite letter.
I disagree. His message is to educate--and God knows so many people need that education, they do not get in public schools!!
Most people don't even know the first 10 amendments to the Constitution. It's sad.
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I think both sides in this debate have merit, one should be speaking in terms of benefits of the customer, yet Ron is 76 and for better or for worse got to where he is doing what he does and it's harder for one to adapt mindset at that age.
That said, to broaden this, the other people have a point and I discourage attacking them.
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the idea is that every time you say these words they become a little less abstract.
Main Stream Media was making fun of PAUL with his last statement this morning... Even Twitter had their posts.
Jim whatever who used to work for Rueters poster... "Last question ...Ron parroting Liberty and ...Liberty"
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But people like you are totally missing the point, you are obviously someone who takes the time to research things and think them through, but have you walked around America lately? It's all about quick easy to swallow soundbites, it disgusts me, but that's the reality, probably 80% of the things Ron talks about - Austrian, Keynesian, Liberty, Sound Money, Property Rights, and even yes, the Constitution - most people have no idea what he's talking about and never will, that is the reality, so do we sit around waiting for the average American to have their IQ jump 50 points or do we find a way to work with what we have?
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