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    Default What made Newt ineligible for the draft?

    If Ron was married and had two kids why was he called to serve, but Newt was ineligible? Did he lie about that or was there another reason?
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    Some people didn't get called ,but newt most likely avoided it with his daddies connections.
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    My dad (who was drafted during Vietnam) made the comment that he served with a bunch of guys who were married and had kids. It seems Newt's connections got him out of service.
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    Not getting called is different than being ineligible, right? I think I would like to hear him answer that before SC.
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    Quote Originally Posted by musicmax View Post
    http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontl...oyernewt1.html

    Multiple deferments referred to about halfway down.
    Great find!!!

    From the article:

    In any case, Newt Gingrich was a driven lad by the time he arrived at Baxter High School, and politics was his passion --as a junior, he passed out campaign literature for Nixon's 1960 campaign. His singular determination was perhaps best seen in his first successful romance, a schoolboy crush he developed on his high-school math teacher. Lots of boys get romantic notions about pretty young teachers, but Newt Gingrich didn't let go of his. After graduation, when she moved to Atlanta, he went to Atlanta too, enrolling at Emory University. Gingrich pursued his former math teacher, seven years his senior, until Jackie agreed to become his wife. They were married at the end of his freshman year, and soon they had their first child, Kathy. Gingrich then entered that hazy passage through ambiguity experienced by the majority of young American men during the 1960s. Like most of his generation, Gingrich was moderately anti-Establishment (he tried pot, and participated in a campus protest at Tulane University) and chose not to go to Vietnam, opting for deferments available to him as a father and a student. But unlike most young men his age, Gingrich would be haunted by his decision. Later, when, as a hawkish congressman, he would lash out against the "weak-on-defense left" and espouse universal military training, his opponents would investigate Gingrich's own military background.

    Sure enough, he found himself listed among a sizable group of noted conservative hawks (including George Will and Richard Perle) who had managed to avoid the war-the "war wimps," as they came to be called. In 1985, he told Jane Mayer of The Wall Street Journal that he still believed that "Vietnam was the right battlefield at the right time." Why didn't he go? "Given everything I believe in, a large part of me thinks I should have gone over," he allowed. But, recovering, he added, "Part of the question I had to ask myself was what difference I would have made."

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    Pretty sure that deferments only apply to people who are actually eligible and do get called.

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    Quote Originally Posted by musicmax View Post
    http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontl...oyernewt1.html

    Multiple deferments referred to about halfway down.
    So it was his step father that served in Vietnam? And Ron could have deferred as well, but didn't?
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    Quote Originally Posted by GunnyFreedom View Post
    Pretty sure that deferments only apply to people who are actually eligible and do get called.
    That means he was eligible and therefore his statement was false. I'm justclarifying as there will probably be a lot of discussion about this exchange.
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    maybe he was too obese.
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    Im gonna say he claims flat feet
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    His head was too fat to fit in standard issue helmets.

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    Let's see Jesse Ventura is younger than Newt and he went to Nam.
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    Quote Originally Posted by musicmax View Post
    http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontl...oyernewt1.html

    Multiple deferments referred to about halfway down.
    'war wimps' LOL
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    Quote Originally Posted by Philmanoman View Post
    Im gonna say he claims flat feet
    If that were true...he would have screamed that tonight, but didn't. If he comes back with that at a later time, that means he's paying someone off to say otherwise.

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    They had a hard time getting Newt out of the fetal position...4f...

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    Like most of his generation, Gingrich was moderately anti-Establishment (he tried pot, and participated in a campus protest at Tulane University) and chose not to go to Vietnam, opting for deferments available to him as a father and a student.
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    Quote Originally Posted by musicmax View Post
    http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontl...oyernewt1.html

    Multiple deferments referred to about halfway down.
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    Dick Cheney had 5 deferments, he used the student, then marriage, check boxes
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    Here is the exchange from last night that inspired this question:


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    Is there some kind of public record that can show conclusively if he asked for deferments or was simply "ineligible" and did not need deferments?

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    If he was never actually drafted I don't think he would have needed the deferments.

    He was eligible though, that was an outright lie saying he wasn't eligible.
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    Quote Originally Posted by musicmax View Post
    http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontl...oyernewt1.html

    Multiple deferments referred to about halfway down.

    You just did a better job of investigative journalism than CNN. May I inquire as to how long it took you to find this information?

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    Marriage and fatherhood changed your call-up order but did not make you ineligible. http://www.sss.gov/FactSheets/FSeffects.pdf

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    not that this means anything but I did find this

    http://2012.republican-candidates.org/Military.php

    "Gingrich received a draft deferment during the Vietnam War owing to the fact that he was studying at the time in Tulane University and he had children. In addition, he was also impaired with short-sightedness and had flat feet (pes planus)."
    "They sure like eating their marshmallows."

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    If he was ineligible why would he need a deferment?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Paulatized View Post
    If he was ineligible why would he need a deferment?
    It seems Gingrich was caught in yet another lie.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Philmanoman View Post
    not that this means anything but I did find this

    http://2012.republican-candidates.org/Military.php

    "Gingrich received a draft deferment during the Vietnam War owing to the fact that he was studying at the time in Tulane University and he had children. In addition, he was also impaired with short-sightedness and had flat feet (pes planus)."
    I think it's pathetic that someone would use "flat feet" as an excuse not to serve during time of war. Im pretty sure having flat feet doesn't affect your ability to serve in a non combat role.

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    Newt also said "I was too young"

    I'm sure ole Newt will be fact-checked today (hopefully)
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    Quote Originally Posted by vechorik View Post
    Newt also said "I was too young"

    I'm sure ole Newt will be fact-checked today (hopefully)
    Too young? He was 25 in 1968.

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