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    Monsantoi Is Evil and I Need To Explain How Dangerous They Really Are

    This post is part of another thread dealing with this issue. But as a horticulturalist with a degree in Biology I found some of the things being stated in the other thread to be misunderstood entirely. Ron Paul has been fighting against Corporations such as Monsanto for a long time. I want to explain to you all why what is taking place right now in this country is so dangerous and why in the near future you could see food prices skyrocket to levels that most middle class Americans would not be able to afford. This is just as big of a part of Ron Paul's liberty message as anything else he has talked about. I am sure many of you have heard about the raw milk incidents and the legislation Ron Paul has created to try to force the Federal Government out of raiding innocent farmers for producing naturally healthy products free of chemical contamination and antibiotics.

    Those of you who are saying Monsanto is not a threat and that nature naturally weeds out certain species do not fully understand what Monsanto is doing. As a horticulturalist and someone who understands plant genetics I can tell you with absolute certainty that Monsanto is one of the greatest threats to human beings that we have ever face. Some of you seem to be misunderstanding what Monsanto is doing. Genetically altered crops such as those which have place beta carotene in rice are positive improvements which have prevented hundreds of thousands of people in poor asian countries from suffering severe eye sight problems, many of which lead to blindness at a young age. These genetically modified crops are a godsend to those people as they allow them to grow a species of rice that gives those people the added nutrients that they would otherwise lack which is helping to prevent severe eye problems that often lead to blindness.

    This is not what Monsanto is about. Monsanto is a beast. They are actively trying to patent the genetic strains of basic agricultural produce by genetically altering seeds of heirloom plants resulting in what has been dubbed the "terminator seed". These seeds when they cross pollinate with other wind pollinated plants such as corn and to a lesser extent tomatoes cause the seeds of these plants to become totally sterile meaning that the seeds cannot be used to grow new plants. The deviance behind such a method is that when farmers who have been using superior strains of heirloom seeds for generations have their crops cross pollinated and contaminated with Monsanto seeds is that they are no longer able to grow their heirloom strains due to the genetically altered strains of Monsanto crops which sterilize the heirloom strains. Not only does this destroy the seeds farmers have been using for generations which have adapted through evolution to produce high yields of crops in that specific location which are healthy and productive, but upon having Monsanto's contaminated seeds spread their pollen to these heirloom crops Monsanto now gains the rights under the Agricultural department to demand that these farmers growing heirloom seeds now pay Monsanto or face being shut down by the federal government for stealing a genetic patent with Monsanto has created. The evil part of this is there is no way for farmers growing heirloom plants to protect those plants from being tainted by the Monsanto plants. Once this occurs the farmers are strong armed into either using Monsanto "terminator" seeds which yield no viable seed crops for the farmers to use to replant their fields the following year, but at the same time force these farmers to pay ridiculous amounts of money to Monsanto for having "stolen" Monsanto's genetically altered seeds which are patented. The result is if even one farmer accept Monsanto seeds in an area where hundreds of farmers grow their heirlooms crops it is only a matter of several years before all plants are contaminated with Monsanto's patented seeds. Farmers then face two choices. Pay Monsanto and go bankrupt, or get sued in court by Monsanto and their endless amount corporate lawyers and still go bankrupt.

    Monsanto has created a breed of seeds which force anyone who grows their seeds to come back to Monsanto year after year in order to buy more seeds at ridiculous prices and there is nothing these organic farmers can do about it because there is no way to protect their crops from cross pollination when Monsanto enters the area and pays off one farmer with a large sum of money knowing full well within a couple of years they will be able to strong arm all the farmers within that area that have refused to buy Monsanto's seeds.

    As a horticulturalist I can tell you with absolute certainty that organic methods which include bringing in beneficial insects in order to prey on pest insects and growing plants that share beneficial traits simply by being grown next to each other is enough to create viable crop yields that are both healthier and pesticide free. People must be educated that there is a huge difference between genetically altering plants in order to add nutrients to those crops that benefit local populations that would otherwise be unable to get the nutrients that are required to keep their populations healthy and the strong arm tactics that Monsanto is doing to decimate thousands of species of heirloom crops that are our only hope for keeping the world from suffering from such massive disasters as the Irish potato famine which killed millions.

    Heirloom plants have a massive range of diversity and they all have different attributes which make them resistant to certain diseases and pests. When those heirloom varieties are destroyed by corporations such as Monsanto the result it you are left with mono crops susceptible to massive crop failure. To give an example of this, we need only look at corn in the US. 50 years ago over 500 heirloom varieties of corn were grown in the US. Today there are 3 major varieties grown. It is not only a matter of if but when a massive disease outbreak occurs on these plants and when it does this will result in the destruction of 1/3rd or more of our entire crop production in a single year. Just imagine what kind of chaos that would cause to food prices not only in the US but worldwide. This is why it is so important that corporations like Monsanto are not allowed to strong arm farmers and reduce the amount of crops varieties that are being grown. Ron Paul has been standing up to these corporations and fighting to stop them. I cannot stress enough how important it is that we take on this cause and not allot these mega corporations to monetize our crop production to a few single genetic strains which are incredibly susceptible to massive crop failure should the right strain or bacteria or fungus take hold and spread throughout these fields.
    Last edited by LibertyOrDeath1776; 01-06-2012 at 11:46 PM.



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    I've heard a little about this, and didn't know many details, thanks for posting.

    Mod: If possible please sticky this in the "Health Freedom" section, thank you.
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    I want to know why the label on my Altadena milk changed from made from cows not treated with RBST to our farmers "promise" not to use RBST.

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    I don't know who rated this thread 1 star but whoever it was you need to do some serious research on this topic. I cannot believe someone would rate this subject at 1 star unless they either work for Monsanto or are making money off of something related to Monsanto. Clearly we have a plant in these forums who is trying to discredit the truth. Whoever you are, why don't you make a post and let it be known that you were the one who rated this threat one star. I am willing to go toe to toe with you on this subject and educate you since you clearly have no understanding on the topic.

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    Great info! +rep

    "Doomsday Seed Vault" in the Arctic -
    Bill Gates, Rockefeller and the GMO giants know something we don’t

    by F. William Engdahl

    One thing Microsoft founder Bill Gates can’t be accused of is sloth. He was already programming at 14, founded Microsoft at age 20 while still a student at Harvard. By 1995 he had been listed by Forbes as the world’s richest man from being the largest shareholder in his Microsoft, a company which his relentless drive built into a de facto monopoly in software systems for personal computers.

    In 2006 when most people in such a situation might think of retiring to a quiet Pacific island, Bill Gates decided to devote his energies to his Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation, the world’s largest ‘transparent’ private foundation as it says, with a whopping $34.6 billion endowment and a legal necessity to spend $1.5 billion a year on charitable projects around the world to maintain its tax free charitable status. A gift from friend and business associate, mega-investor Warren Buffett in 2006, of some $30 billion worth of shares in Buffet’s Berkshire Hathaway put the Gates’ foundation into the league where it spends almost the amount of the entire annual budget of the United Nations’ World Health Organization.

    So when Bill Gates decides through the Gates Foundation to invest some $30 million of their hard earned money in a project, it is worth looking at.

    No project is more interesting at the moment than a curious project in one of the world’s most remote spots, Svalbard. Bill Gates is investing millions in a seed bank on the Barents Sea near the Arctic Ocean, some 1,100 kilometers from the North Pole. Svalbard is a barren piece of rock claimed by Norway and ceded in 1925 by international treaty (see map).

    On this God-forsaken island Bill Gates is investing tens of his millions along with the Rockefeller Foundation, Monsanto Corporation, Syngenta Foundation and the Government of Norway, among others, in what is called the ‘doomsday seed bank.’ Officially the project is named the Svalbard Global Seed Vault on the Norwegian island of Spitsbergen, part of the Svalbard island group.

    The seed bank is being built inside a mountain on Spitsbergen Island near the small village of Longyearbyen. It’s almost ready for ‘business’ according to their releases. The bank will have dual blast-proof doors with motion sensors, two airlocks, and walls of steel-reinforced concrete one meter thick. It will contain up to three million different varieties of seeds from the entire world, ‘so that crop diversity can be conserved for the future,’ according to the Norwegian government. Seeds will be specially wrapped to exclude moisture. There will be no full-time staff, but the vault's relative inaccessibility will facilitate monitoring any possible human activity.

    Did we miss something here? Their press release stated, ‘so that crop diversity can be conserved for the future.’ What future do the seed bank’s sponsors foresee, that would threaten the global availability of current seeds, almost all of which are already well protected in designated seed banks around the world?

    Anytime Bill Gates, the Rockefeller Foundation, Monsanto and Syngenta get together on a common project, it’s worth digging a bit deeper behind the rocks on Spitsbergen. When we do we find some fascinating things.

    The first notable point is who is sponsoring the doomsday seed vault. Here joining the Norwegians are, as noted, the Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation; the US agribusiness giant DuPont/Pioneer Hi-Bred, one of the world’s largest owners of patented genetically-modified (GMO) plant seeds and related agrichemicals; Syngenta, the Swiss-based major GMO seed and agrichemicals company through its Syngenta Foundation; the Rockefeller Foundation, the private group who created the “gene revolution with over $100 million of seed money since the 1970’s; CGIAR, the global network created by the Rockefeller Foundation to promote its ideal of genetic purity through agriculture change.

    CGIAR and ‘The Project’

    As I detailled in the book, Seeds of Destruction1, in 1960 the Rockefeller Foundation, John D. Rockefeller III’s Agriculture Development Council and the Ford Foundation joined forces to create the International Rice Research Institute (IRRI) in Los Baños, the Philippines. By 1971, the Rockefeller Foundation’s IRRI, along with their Mexico-based International Maize and Wheat Improvement Center and two other Rockefeller and Ford Foundation-created international research centers, the IITA for tropical agriculture, Nigeria, and IRRI for rice, Philippines, combined to form a global Consultative Group on International Agriculture Research (CGIAR).

    CGIAR was shaped at a series of private conferences held at the Rockefeller Foundation’s conference center in Bellagio, Italy. Key participants at the Bellagio talks were the Rockefeller Foundation’s George Harrar, Ford Foundation’s Forrest Hill, Robert McNamara of the World Bank and Maurice Strong, the Rockefeller family’s international environmental organizer, who, as a Rockefeller Foundation Trustee, organized the UN Earth Summit in Stockholm in 1972. It was part of the foundation’s decades long focus to turn science to the service of eugenics, a hideous version of racial purity, what has been called The Project.

    To ensure maximum impact, CGIAR drew in the United Nations’ Food and Agriculture Organization, the UN Development Program and the World Bank. Thus, through a carefully-planned leverage of its initial funds, the Rockefeller Foundation by the beginning of the 1970’s was in a position to shape global agriculture policy. And shape it did.

    Financed by generous Rockefeller and Ford Foundation study grants, CGIAR saw to it that leading Third World agriculture scientists and agronomists were brought to the US to ‘master’ the concepts of modern agribusiness production, in order to carry it back to their homeland. In the process they created an invaluable network of influence for US agribusiness promotion in those countries, most especially promotion of the GMO ‘Gene Revolution’ in developing countries, all in the name of science and efficient, free market agriculture.


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    I don't necessarily disagree about Monsanto being a beast, but it is a beast that belongs in a different forum....
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    Quote Originally Posted by sailingaway View Post
    I don't necessarily disagree about Monsanto being a beast, but it is a beast that belongs in a different forum....
    How do you figure? Ron Paul has personally put out legislation that is fighting precisely the subject that I was speaking about above. If the government can pick and choose what we put in our own bodies how is that not part of the libertarian platform?

    "If people let the government decide what foods they eat and what medicines they take, their bodies will soon be in as sorry a state as are the souls who live under tyranny." -- Thomas Jefferson

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    Quote Originally Posted by sailingaway View Post
    I don't necessarily disagree about Monsanto being a beast, but it is a beast that belongs in a different forum....
    Quote Originally Posted by LibertyOrDeath1776 View Post
    How do you figure? Ron Paul has personally put out legislation that is fighting precisely the subject that I was speaking about above. If the government can pick and choose what we put in our own bodies how is that not part of the libertarian platform?

    "If people let the government decide what foods they eat and what medicines they take, their bodies will soon be in as sorry a state as are the souls who live under tyranny." -- Thomas Jefferson
    No worries; He means different sub-forum here at RPF's. Someone will probably move it.
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    I don't feel safe eating foods that are designed to not reproduce. Look at the fertility rate. How would that affect us if the plants we eat have poor fertility? Think about it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Warrior_of_Freedom View Post
    I don't feel safe eating foods that are designed to not reproduce. Look at the fertility rate. How would that affect us if the plants we eat have poor fertility? Think about it.
    GMO wreck havoc on our internal organs in multiple ways they can form new antigens (molecules that cause the body to react). They wreck havoc on our digestive system and take away all the good bacteria (Flora) our gut needs to balance the bad bacteria. We can not process or digest the toxins--especially the Round-up ready seeds. This can cause autoimmune diseases and food allergies. They splice other DNA (Recombinant DNA) into a seeds for instance in rice, they used human DNA. That's pretty sick! They have deliberately spliced HIV in corn.

    You can download this non-gmo shopping guide to help you purchase foods that are non-gmo.

    I believe Monsanto (and it's subsidiaries) should be shut down and brought up on charges for crimes against humanity. It's pure genocide!!

    Sources:
    US greenlights human/rice hybrid
    Mommy, Is Aunt Sally in the Rice Puffs?
    GM industry puts human gene into rice
    50 HARMFUL EFFECTS OF GENETICALLY MODIFIED (GM) FOODS
    Potential Health Hazards of Genetically Engineered Foods
    Africa Starves And Turns Food Away
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    Quote Originally Posted by donnay View Post
    GMO wreck havoc on our internal organs in multiple ways they can form new antigens (molecules that cause the body to react). They wreck havoc on our digestive system and take away all the good bacteria (Flora) our gut needs to balance the bad bacteria. We can not process or digest the toxins--especially the Round-up ready seeds. This can cause autoimmune diseases and food allergies. They splice other DNA (Recombinant DNA) into a seeds for instance in rice, they used human DNA. That's pretty sick! They have deliberately spliced HIV in corn.

    You can download this non-gmo shopping guide to help you purchase foods that are non-gmo.

    I believe Monsanto (and it's subsidiaries) should be shut down and brought up on charges for crimes against humanity. It's pure genocide!!

    Sources:
    US greenlights human/rice hybrid
    Mommy, Is Aunt Sally in the Rice Puffs?
    GM industry puts human gene into rice
    50 HARMFUL EFFECTS OF GENETICALLY MODIFIED (GM) FOODS
    Potential Health Hazards of Genetically Engineered Foods
    Africa Starves And Turns Food Away
    It is amazing how you describe what GMO crops do to the human body because the process is nearly identical when it comes to soil microbiology. I always try to explain to people when they buy my organic vegetable plants why it is so important that they never use chemical pesticides or chemical fertilizers. I understand all things are technically chemical but when I say chemical fertilizer I an specifically referring to the types of fertilizers which completely bypass the natural process of breakdown by bacteria and fungi which then allows the plants to uptake the nutrients. These "chemical" fertilizers which are already in water soluble form are taken up immediately by the plant the same way a human body would take steroids. Whatever is not taken up by the plan is flushed away by the first major rainstorm leaving the plants devoid of any further nutrient uptake and causing what are known as "red tides" as large amounts of soluble nitrogen fertilizers are washing into fresh and salt waterways allow trillions of poisonous red algae to bloom. These blooms are so toxic that they have been known to kill bystanders who are downwind of them who breath in high concentrations of the toxins.

    Not only do chemical fertilizers deprive naturally beneficial bacteria and fungi from their nutrients leading to massive die offs of their populations, but the lack of these beneficial microorganisms leads a wide gap in the food chain that allows deadly strains of bacteria and fungi who no longer have to compete for food sources with other beneficial bacteria and fungi to now overpopulate the soil. Then when this happens the average person complains that there garden is "infected" with diseases and are told then to use chemical pesticides to kill the bacterial and fungal diseases. Once the chemical pesticides are applied they kill off all the beneficial insects that prey on pest insects which keep plants from being devoured. After that occurs another round of chemical pesticides is now needed to control insect pest populations which are much more resistant to chemical pesticides than beneficial insects.

    The end result of this vicious cycle is a crop field that is now totally devoid of nutrients because all beneficial bacteria and fungus have been wiped out and are unable to convert insoluble nutrients into soluble nutrients that plants can now uptake to stay strong and healthy. Also all beneficial insect populations that would normally keep a balance in the field by preying on pest insects are now dead resulting in an overpopulation of pest insects which can only be controlled by deadly chemical pesticides.

    Basically the turn of events I described above is like a nuclear bomb going off on a microbiological level. All good organism, all good insects are ALWAYS the first to die and the last to recover their populations. All bad organisms, and all bad insects are always the first to recover and least likely to die. When this scenario has peaked which it can in only 2-4 years of bad advice from people telling you how to grow your own food or what products to use you are looking at 5+ years of very poor soil that is totally devoid of the organisms that make your plants healthy and about 3 years for all the chemical pesticides that have been used on your soil to finally be broken down and returned to their natural non toxic chemical states.

    I will give you guys a perfect example of how organic practices can protect your plants and keep them healthy. About 3 years ago in Rhode Island it rained every single day for the entire month of June. This weather was conducive to tomato blight which is a disease I am sure many of you have heard about. On my small farm of 300 tomato plants I had not a single case of tomato blight. But just about every customer that came into the farm stand I work at and sell my plants at said their tomato plants died of blight. The reason my plants did not die is because of a practice I do placing 100 lbs of corn meal over a 1000 sq ft area of growing space. Corn meal feeds a fungus called Trichoderma which likes to grow on the root system of neighboring plants. Not only does Trichoderma help the plants that it attaches to by allowing more oxygen and water to enter to plant, but it out competes other deadly fungus such as tomato blight for food. The reason I did not get blight on my tomato plants was because Trichoderma was everywhere in my soil and it simply out competed the blight for food and resources never allowing the blight to take hold.

    There are literally dozens of practices like this which can be done to ensure your plants remain healthy while using absolutely no chemical fertilizers or pesticides.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LibertyOrDeath1776 View Post
    It is amazing how you describe what GMO crops do to the human body because the process is nearly identical when it comes to soil microbiology. I always try to explain to people when they buy my organic vegetable plants why it is so important that they never use chemical pesticides or chemical fertilizers. I understand all things are technically chemical but when I say chemical fertilizer I an specifically referring to the types of fertilizers which completely bypass the natural process of breakdown by bacteria and fungi which then allows the plants to uptake the nutrients. These "chemical" fertilizers which are already in water soluble form are taken up immediately by the plant the same way a human body would take steroids. Whatever is not taken up by the plan is flushed away by the first major rainstorm leaving the plants devoid of any further nutrient uptake and causing what are known as "red tides" as large amounts of soluble nitrogen fertilizers are washing into fresh and salt waterways allow trillions of poisonous red algae to bloom. These blooms are so toxic that they have been known to kill bystanders who are downwind of them who breath in high concentrations of the toxins.

    Not only do chemical fertilizers deprive naturally beneficial bacteria and fungi from their nutrients leading to massive die offs of their populations, but the lack of these beneficial microorganisms leads a wide gap in the food chain that allows deadly strains of bacteria and fungi who no longer have to compete for food sources with other beneficial bacteria and fungi to now overpopulate the soil. Then when this happens the average person complains that there garden is "infected" with diseases and are told then to use chemical pesticides to kill the bacterial and fungal diseases. Once the chemical pesticides are applied they kill off all the beneficial insects that prey on pest insects which keep plants from being devoured. After that occurs another round of chemical pesticides is now needed to control insect pest populations which are much more resistant to chemical pesticides than beneficial insects.

    The end result of this vicious cycle is a crop field that is now totally devoid of nutrients because all beneficial bacteria and fungus have been wiped out and are unable to convert insoluble nutrients into soluble nutrients that plants can now uptake to stay strong and healthy. Also all beneficial insect populations that would normally keep a balance in the field by preying on pest insects are now dead resulting in an overpopulation of pest insects which can only be controlled by deadly chemical pesticides.

    Basically the turn of events I described above is like a nuclear bomb going off on a microbiological level. All good organism, all good insects are ALWAYS the first to die and the last to recover their populations. All bad organisms, and all bad insects are always the first to recover and least likely to die. When this scenario has peaked which it can in only 2-4 years of bad advice from people telling you how to grow your own food or what products to use you are looking at 5+ years of very poor soil that is totally devoid of the organisms that make your plants healthy and about 3 years for all the chemical pesticides that have been used on your soil to finally be broken down and returned to their natural non toxic chemical states.

    I will give you guys a perfect example of how organic practices can protect your plants and keep them healthy. About 3 years ago in Rhode Island it rained every single day for the entire month of June. This weather was conducive to tomato blight which is a disease I am sure many of you have heard about. On my small farm of 300 tomato plants I had not a single case of tomato blight. But just about every customer that came into the farm stand I work at and sell my plants at said their tomato plants died of blight. The reason my plants did not die is because of a practice I do placing 100 lbs of corn meal over a 1000 sq ft area of growing space. Corn meal feeds a fungus called Trichoderma which likes to grow on the root system of neighboring plants. Not only does Trichoderma help the plants that it attaches to by allowing more oxygen and water to enter to plant, but it out competes other deadly fungus such as tomato blight for food. The reason I did not get blight on my tomato plants was because Trichoderma was everywhere in my soil and it simply out competed the blight for food and resources never allowing the blight to take hold.

    There are literally dozens of practices like this which can be done to ensure your plants remain healthy while using absolutely no chemical fertilizers or pesticides.
    Excellent post and very true. I practice organics as well. I have a small farm. Lot's of people around my area who practice organic farming escaped the tomato blight too.

    I love to use Diatomaceous earth. I like to sprinkle some in my compost and on plants that bugs are eating. It is great to sprinkle around the foundation of your homes, it will kill termites too. I sprinkle it in my dog food, it helps keep him healthy and attacks any parasites in his system. I have never once given him heartworm meds (which is pure arsenic), because of it too.
    Last edited by donnay; 01-07-2012 at 10:19 PM.
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    I love this info thanks!
    Can you clarify this for me, I have heard than Organic farmers are allowed to use Nicotine as a pesticide.
    Do they? What effects can we expect if this were widespread?

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    I've no problem with someone attacking monsanto, especially if monasanto is violating others property rights or is in bed with govt. I just don't like hippie anti gmo dumb ass rhetoric.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dbill27 View Post
    I've no problem with someone attacking monsanto, especially if monasanto is violating others property rights or is in bed with govt. I just don't like hippie anti gmo dumb ass rhetoric.
    Then you have no idea the dangers of genetically modified organism. You should do some research.
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    I just hope to god that if cannabis (mainly hemp) becomes legal, Monsanto doesn't try to get their foot in the door.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gravik View Post
    I just hope to god that if cannabis (mainly hemp) becomes legal, Monsanto doesn't try to get their foot in the door.
    You can bet it will be Big Pharma who makes a deal with Monsanto!
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    Great post OP. Changing my diet 10 yrs ago was without a doubt one of the best choices i've made in my life.

    Lets win the Organic vote

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    Used to work at a local organic food store/delivery service.

    Planted my first organic garden last year! Hen poop was my only fertilizer. :P

    Can't wait till this Spring!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Salvial View Post
    Used to work at a local organic food store/delivery service.

    Planted my first organic garden last year! Hen poop was my only fertilizer. :P

    Can't wait till this Spring!

    Believe me some of Ron's most passionate supporters are the natural food and medicine people.

    It is one of my favorite reasons to be a Ron Paul supporter all the rest is icing on the cake.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dbill27 View Post
    I've no problem with someone attacking monsanto, especially if monasanto is violating others property rights or is in bed with govt. I just don't like hippie anti gmo dumb ass rhetoric.
    I am too, to a certain point. I think it has it's place in areas where people are starving and nothing else will grow, and I especially like the golden rice product for this purpose. However, I'm tired of dumbasses who think that just because they're conservative, they can not educate themselves on healthy, ethical food choices and drive a big-ass gas-guzzling penis-on-wheels to get to their job where they sit in a cubicle and eat nothing but fast food.

    When I was new to these forums, I thought that the rhetoric against Monsanto was a bunch of anti-science hippie fearmongering bull$#@! too, but Monsanto is truly a massively irresponsible corporation, totally in bed with the gov't and they deserve their reputation and without corporatism could not exist as they are.

    ETA: The way that I see it, it's ridiculous that sustainable, "organic" (whatever that means this week), low-toxin, farming and gardening is just an excellent skill to have and I don't see why it wouldn't fit into the "personal responsibility" rhetoric that conservatives allegedly espouse. Once you start spraying chemicals on foods you're going to eat, you've added another layer of complexity on your methodology and now have to understand how to remove it prior to ingesting, IF you can remove it prior to eating, what the chemical breaks down into, whether or not it will effect the soil quality or if the plant by-products can be safely composted, whether or not it will leech into the groundwater, if it will eventually produce resistant organisms that become even more difficult to deal with, etc. If you study nature and have some understanding of it, you can design your environment to work in favor of the plants you're trying to cultivate without introducing toxins.
    Last edited by amy31416; 01-08-2012 at 04:59 AM.
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    isn't monsanto they same one's that hired Rumsfeld as CEO to allow Aspartame to be sold even though there was evidence supporting against it?? I think I saw a documentary a few years back about it...
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    Quote Originally Posted by papitosabe View Post
    isn't monsanto they same one's that hired Rumsfeld as CEO to allow Aspartame to be sold even though there was evidence supporting against it?? I think I saw a documentary a few years back about it...
    No. Searle Company hired Rumsfeld & years later they sold the company to Monsanto.



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    I've been a supporter of organic food for a long time because of this issue and others. It has always struck me as odd that libertarians from libertarian organizations talk about how this is all rubbish. Even on Penn & Teller's Bull$#@!, they have a whole episode on how organic food is bull$#@! and Penn is a staunch libertarian as far as I know.

    I've always wondered what deal is with libertarians and anti-organic foodism. There's nothing pro government about organic food, far from it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by vita3 View Post
    No. Searle Company hired Rumsfeld & years later they sold the company to Monsanto.
    yup...that was it..now I remember, Food Inc had something to do with monsanto, and Sweet Misery was the aspartame thing... you triggered my memory..thx...
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  31. #27
    Quote Originally Posted by AlexAmore View Post
    I've been a supporter of organic food for a long time because of this issue and others. It has always struck me as odd that libertarians from libertarian organizations talk about how this is all rubbish. Even on Penn & Teller's Bull$#@!, they have a whole episode on how organic food is bull$#@! and Penn is a staunch libertarian as far as I know.

    I've always wondered what deal is with libertarians and anti-organic foodism. There's nothing pro government about organic food, far from it.
    Libertarians are quite the mixed bag, this site is all about self-reliance and natural foods and stuff, and they're libertarians: http://www.backwoodshome.com/

    I recall the "Bull$#@!" episode, and P&T are right in some senses--you can't always tell organic from non just by taste. But another issue that makes it more complicated is that the "organic" title is often bull$#@! too. Here's the thing, when you taste a strawberry, peach, tomato or apple that you know was grown organically (likely because you did it yourself), you get that "holy $#@! this tastes like real fruit I had when I was a kid!" moment. When you taste mass-produced "organics" you ain't necessarily going to get that same "aha!" moment. This past summer I picked an apple from a tree in a really remote area, and it was amazing. If I buy an organic apple from the store, that won't necessarily be the case.
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  32. #28
    Quote Originally Posted by amy31416 View Post
    Libertarians are quite the mixed bag, this site is all about self-reliance and natural foods and stuff, and they're libertarians: http://www.backwoodshome.com/

    I recall the "Bull$#@!" episode, and P&T are right in some senses--you can't always tell organic from non just by taste. But another issue that makes it more complicated is that the "organic" title is often bull$#@! too. Here's the thing, when you taste a strawberry, peach, tomato or apple that you know was grown organically (likely because you did it yourself), you get that "holy $#@! this tastes like real fruit I had when I was a kid!" moment. When you taste mass-produced "organics" you ain't necessarily going to get that same "aha!" moment. This past summer I picked an apple from a tree in a really remote area, and it was amazing. If I buy an organic apple from the store, that won't necessarily be the case.
    The thing about apples is, they have very thin skin so if they were sprayed with pesticides, no matter how much you wash the apple the pesticide penetrate through the skin and into the apple itself. Therefore you cannot escape the pesticide. The same applies for peaches, strawberries and any other thin skinned fruit or vegetable.

    Let's look at milk-- Horizon milks touted they were an organic milk and got caught not following the organic guidelines. These Federal/State guidelines are ridiculous, nonetheless. When people research it a bit, "ultra pasteurization" is not good to consume at all. You cannot make yogurt, cheese or anything with ultra pasteurized milk--because all the good bacteria/enzymes has been taken out through the pasteurization process. The only way to consume milk is raw.

    The best way to eat well, is grow your own and buy local from farmers and ranchers you trust. You can certainly taste the difference in beef that has been grass-fed versus beef that has been fed grain. You can certainly taste and see the difference in chicken which is open range too. Chicken eggs that are free range have a deep orange yoke verse a store bought egg. Factory farm eggs are also washed in a solution of bleach. Egg shells are very porous and that bleach solution will get inside the egg. I raised organic chickens and I know this for a fact. If you want to hatch fertile eggs, you cannot even wash the eggs if you are going to incubate them because the shells are so porous you can hurt the fertile egg. In the case of Salmonella-- Salmonella is found more so on factory farms, because the sanitary conditions are atrocious. I have taken an egg from my coop and literally eat it raw and I never once got sick.

    It takes a little more effort and work to do it yourself. We have been accustomed to running to a grocery store and getting the items we need--I am guilty of it too, but the problem is, this convenience is not always the best choice when trying to eat healthy and staying healthy.
    Last edited by donnay; 01-08-2012 at 10:39 AM.
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  33. #29
    ONE corporation wants to OWN and CONTROL the FOOD SUPPLY.

    How messed up is that?
    Ron Paul let the cat out of the bag.

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  34. #30
    Quote Originally Posted by AGRP View Post
    ONE corporation wants to OWN and CONTROL the FOOD SUPPLY.

    How messed up is that?
    Not only it is insane but these people should be rounded up and put on trial for crimes against humanity! Genocide!
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