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Thread: Salon.com: Occupy’s Iowa options: Ron Paul or Uncommitted

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    Default Salon.com: Occupy’s Iowa options: Ron Paul or Uncommitted

    Salon reported over the weekend that when more than 100 progressive occupiers caucused last week to pick their candidate of “dispreference,” the largest number, 30, picked Obama.

    And then there’s the Occupy Wall Street supporters who want to vote for Ron Paul.

    Whether all these different modes of dissent will add up to a message from Occupy Wall Street on caucus night seems impossible to predict.

    Cox reports that the logistical difficulties of getting heard at the Democratic caucuses has led dozens of Cox’s initial recruits to pursue a different strategy via the Republican caucuses.

    “Their theory is that by going to the Republican caucuses they can cast a vote for Ron Paul because he is against the war and that will essentially be a vote against Obama’s war policy,” Cox said. He said he will not be cross over on caucus night but he sympathizes with those who do. “They believe this is a way to keep the anti-war message alive following the Iowa caucuses and, to be honest, I was hard pressed to find an argument against them.”
    http://www.salon.com/2012/01/02/occu...r_uncommitted/



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    Give me your tired, your poor,
    Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free

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    Drudge this. Addresses electability, albeit indirectly.

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    Scared much, Norm?
    Norm Sterzenbach, executive director of the Iowa Democratic Party, continued to encourage all Democrats to remain a part of the party’s process.

    “We encourage Democrats to come and participate on our side, the Democratic side, where their voice will be heard,” Sterzenbach said. “They will have an opportunity to share their thoughts with the Democratic Party, both through the caucus and platform process. We would not encourage any Democrats to switch over and participate on the Republican side, whether for Ron Paul or for anyone else.”

    If Sterzenbach’s comments are any indicator, the Democratic party is more worried about the appeal of Paul’s message to potential Obama supporters than the specter of convention delegates not committed to Obama. If the Occupy Wall Street movement sends a message this week, it may be via the libertarian Congressman from Texas.

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    comments need a bit of help here and there, but some very good ones in there.
    "Ron Paul, not going anywhere. Ideologically pure and tough as nails!"

    ABO + NOBP = Ron Paul
    Romney - NOBP = Obama

    Post Election Addendum -
    We warned you. You insulted and cheated us. You lost. Your fault.

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    Glenn Greenwald's wonderful Salon article on Ron Paul
    Glenn gets to the core of the issue.
    It’s perfectly rational and reasonable for progressives to decide that the evils of their candidate are outweighed by the evils of the GOP candidate, whether Ron Paul or anyone else. An honest line of reasoning in this regard would go as follows:

    Yes, I’m willing to continue to have Muslim children slaughtered by covert drones and cluster bombs, and America’s minorities imprisoned by the hundreds of thousands for no good reason, and the CIA able to run rampant with no checks or transparency, and privacy eroded further by the unchecked Surveillance State, and American citizens targeted by the President for assassination with no due process, and whistleblowers threatened with life imprisonment for “espionage,” and the Fed able to dole out trillions to bankers in secret, and a substantially higher risk of war with Iran (fought by the U.S. or by Israel with U.S. support) in exchange for less severe cuts to Social Security, Medicare and other entitlement programs, the preservation of the Education and Energy Departments, more stringent environmental regulations, broader health care coverage, defense of reproductive rights for women, stronger enforcement of civil rights for America’s minorities, a President with no associations with racist views in a newsletter, and a more progressive Supreme Court.

    Without my adopting it, that is at least an honest, candid, and rational way to defend one’s choice. It is the classic lesser-of-two-evils rationale, the key being that it explicitly recognizes that both sides are “evil”: meaning it is not a Good v. Evil contest but a More Evil v. Less Evil contest. But that is not the discussion that takes place because few progressives want to acknowledge that the candidate they are supporting — again — is someone who will continue to do these evil things with their blessing. Instead, we hear only a dishonest one-sided argument that emphasizes Paul’s evils while ignoring Obama’s.
    It is the number one link to provide to progressives who show concern about Obama's foreign policies and civil liberty policies but fear about Paul's economic policies.

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