Gay/Abortion and Women's Rights

[boondoggle]

Hey, i'm 17 and new to the forums.. I won't be able to vote, but i've converted 2 of my teachers and both my parents. Right now i'm trying to get my sister to also vote for him and she's putting up a fight.

Her issue is that he is pro-life, and I told her that he would leave it up to the states to decide that and wouldn't force his opinion onto the country. Her argument was that saying "The states would choose" was his way of getting around it and that if he was for civil liberties he would agree that women have the right to choose what to do with their bodies. She doesn't think that if her state voted to be pro-life and she wanted an abortion, that she would have to move to another state. My argument was wouldn't you rather move to a different state than a different country, where she said some people wouldn't be able to afford to. What do I say to that? I've already explained that he is for small government intervention and less federal interference.

Also, she is pro-gay marriage and I told her that he believed the definition was a man and a women, but that he would leave it up to each state. Again she sees this as a way to jump around the issue and I told her that it would be better because it was up to the people.

She agrees with him on everything like the foreign policy and stuff, but thinks that it would be a scary world because everyone would be left to themselves.. She's also concerned about financial aid to college students being cut, along with other programs in the education area...

Can you clarify this stuff for me so I can get her converted too? I love that she cares so much though and asks questions, she really likes looking into this stuff. Any good rebut would be great!

Thanks.

[Cjays]

What do I say to that?

Tell her she doesn't have to get pregnant.

[boondoggle]

That won't solve anything, she thinks your born with the right to choose what to do with your body... Is that really the only comeback though? Not gonna get anywhere being pushy.

[Cjays]

Ask her what the Constitution says about abortion, and promise her RP will follow the Constitution. If she's still stuck, then you'll have to convince her that all the other issues RP stands for are more important than supporting the birth control method used by cave-woman.

[boondoggle]

I think thats what i'm gonna end up doing, make her realize some things are just more important than that. Even though right now abortion is a big debate with her, she's hardcore women's activist though. Like, men get paid more than women and were not equal type of stuff. But, i'll just keep talking to her. She'll be my project... *creepy stare* ... Anddd i'm done.

[murrayrothbard]

I'll stay away from the abortion one. People lose all sight of rationality on that.

As for gay marriage, yes, RP has said that it's not the federal governments business, but that he also thinks it's not the state's business really at all. His personal position is that government should not be involved in marriage. It's simply a voluntary association between two people.

[Melissa]

Have her watch this interview from yesterday I found on Youtube it was great and really makes you look at the other side of things. It is a long interview but the best I have seen so far. The part about abortion is in the 2nd video I think. You can tell the lady gets a little huffy with the good Dr. but when you hear his answer you can only respect it and think to yourself God I want this man in office.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hx2vL...48EB4B&index=0

[partypooper]

That won't solve anything, she thinks your born with the right to choose what to do with your body...

she is. she can choose whether to have sex or not.

[boondoggle]

Thanks Melissa... I e-mailed her the link to the second one, it could help.. Time will tell.

[Melissa]

Did you watch it. It really is the best Ron Paul Interview I have seen so far. Really long answers so you can really see if you agree on the issues with him. What is suprising I think is if more people saw this interview they would so agree that Dr. Paul is the right person for 2008 to get us back to some kind of idea that used to be the "American" idea.