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Matt, do you have any idea when Rand will be heading down to Iowa?
I'd guess within 2 weeks of the Caucus starting. Just a guess though.
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Rand is losing me, big time. I was more forgiving of his foreign policy non purity, but a candidate that wants to continue stealing my money to pay for some imagined obligation that I never consented to is not a candidate I can support.
Boo on Rand.
I'm actually deeply saddened and disillusioned. I thought he was a libertarian, but I guess he's just another conservative.
Really? Because he wants to be able to fund Social Security he is a bad guy? Even Good ol boy Ron said you can't just leave people on the street who are dependent on this government programs. You need a transition and in order to do that you have to be able to fund it. In that regard, I find his desire to compromise on this issue to be admirable. Either fund your obligations OR reduce spending elsewhere to do so. Ron wants to do the same thing except cut the spending from militarism. How is this substantially different?
It's substantially different because Rand Paul is talking about stealing from me to partially fund a liability that I never consented to, that's going to fail anyway, that I ought to be able to opt out of entirely. Ron Paul's military draw-down sacrifices none of my liberty, and would only enhance my security. These two positions are not even remotely similar.
I'll never support a politician who supports a tax increase. I particularly don't like the way he talks about the potential tax cut 'costing' the government money. Those are the sorts of words liberals use, when they think that the government owns your money and your life to begin with, and tax cuts are just a form of charity.
I think either Washington has gotten to Rand Paul, or he was a fraud to begin with.
And how he votes is NO to a payroll tax cut.
http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LI...n=1&vote=00219
Last edited by Feeding the Abscess; 12-07-2011 at 02:53 PM.
The epitome of libertarian populismOriginally Posted by Ron Paul
He voted against continuing the payroll tax cut because he wanted it to be paid for by means testing medicare and other spending cuts. THe proposal he voted against would have paid for the payroll tax cut by raising taxes on other people. Whether he voted yes or no, either one could be construed as voting to raise taxes. Maybe he should have not voted on this one.
Ron Paul voted to pass this tax cut in December 2010. http://clerk.house.gov/evs/2010/roll647.xml
This article: http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970204262304577068470560665732.html says that the temporary payroll tax cut is accompanied by a permanent tax increase.
Last edited by Pisces; 12-07-2011 at 03:34 PM. Reason: didn't enter link correctly
Aside from that, Rand was using language that supported the notion that the payroll tax cut would cost the government revenue, as if it were their money somehow.
This isn't the first time Rand has diverged from Ron's position on an issue. I'm starting to wonder if that's the reason he's not stumping for Ron in Iowa, South Carolina, and in other places. I'm almost thinking that if Ron weren't his father, he wouldn't be supporting him.
The epitome of libertarian populismOriginally Posted by Ron Paul
Rand also repeats the lie that payroll taxes fund Social Security. They don't. That money I paid in to payroll taxes was spent on wars and etc. long ago.
He was talking about tax cuts needing to be offset with spending cuts. If you don't do that, you'll end up with debt which will be paid off by inflating the currency. This is why Ron as well says that excessive spending is a tax. People need to realize that it we refuse to make any changes to social security, payroll taxes need to stay where they are or be increased. It's irresponsible to promise people payroll tax cuts without any changes in social security or cuts in spending.
I think the reason Rand is not stumping for his Dad right now is that Congress is still in session.
http://www.npr.org/2011/12/06/143211...ayroll-tax-cutTexas Rep. Ron Paul supports extending the tax cut too, according to a spokesman
Technically, this isn't a lie. The payroll taxes do go to a fund that is supposed to pay for Social Security. The problem is that the govt has been borrowing money from that fund and replacing the money with IOU's. But I agree that the money has been used for other purposes besides Social Security in a round about way. I think the answer is to stop the govt from borrowing from the fund.
Last edited by Pisces; 12-07-2011 at 03:55 PM.
I'm rescinding my original scathing condemnation of Rand on this, as it looks like I would have also voted against this so-called 'tax cut' that raises taxes for 10 years.
It is neither a practical nor a moral bill.
That said, Rand was quite obviously "speaking" to people well outside my demographic. He was using the language of statists, rather than defending a principled position. I don't know how I like it. He certainly did not convince me with his arguments that he made the right choice for the right reasons.
Rand may be attempting to veil his libertarian motives with political pandering and pragmatic maneuvering, but it does little to instill confidence in those who would be his most die-hard supporters, and it does little to advance the essential cause of liberty in the long run.
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