Economics of Immigration: Myths and Realities

[Wesker1982]

Prof. Ben Powell debunks the following three popular myths about immigration:

1) Immigrants are a net drag on our economy
2) Immigrants steal our jobs
3) Immigrants depress our wages




This was really goood

[showpan]

1) Immigrants are a net drag on our economy
2) Immigrants steal our jobs
3) Immigrants depress our wages

This is impossible to debunk, the reality and the numbers speak for themselves.

https://www.numbersusa.com/content/files/LA2010.doc

[Fox McCloud]

1) Immigrants are a net drag on our economy
2) Immigrants steal our jobs
3) Immigrants depress our wages

This is impossible to debunk, the reality and the numbers speak for themselves.

https://www.numbersusa.com/content/files/LA2010.doc

Obviously didn't listen to the lecture, or out and out rejects numerous studies.

[showpan]

Obviously didn't listen to the lecture, or out and out rejects numerous studies.

I did listen to this bull$#@!. I actually work in Nevada, Cali and Arizona and have seen first hand what the drags are. This suit standing there talking about $#@! he knows nothing about has no clue. The claim that we have more employment because of them is a complete lie. We have the same amount of jobs (reduced because of NAFTA) only these folks are willing to work for much less so that an American is now collecting unemployment. They are taking our jobs and they are working for less. They aren't contributing to federal taxes because illegals use fake SS numbers and claim exempt. I know many of them that are using more then one SS so they can collect benefits on one while working another. Since I'm a supervisor, I see what they claim first hand. These are not jobs that Americans won't do, these are construction, service, food, etc. I also have to fix the $#@! work they do. They aren't as skilled and most companies want us to train them...lol...the amount of lawsuits due to substandard work is at a record high because of them. They do not work any harder than American workers, this is all lies with numbers made up by NWO globalists who are now pushing for amnesty for over 20 Million illegals while there are over 25 Million Americans who need a real job. The drag is not only on our jobs, it's on us who have to pay for them.

[Cutlerzzz]

Prof. Ben Powell debunks the following three popular myths about immigration:

1) Immigrants are a net drag on our economy
2) Immigrants steal our jobs
3) Immigrants depress our wages




This was really goood

+1

[Brian4Liberty]

Here's the economic reality of this speech: it pays good money to give speeches which further the global corporatist agenda. On the other hand, hardly anyone would pay for the opposing viewpoint. Just more beltway libertarians making their money being shills for the corporatocracy. Gary Johnson for President!

[Wesker1982]

Here's the economic reality of this speech: it pays good money to give speeches which further the global corporatist agenda.

This says nothing about the content of the speech.

Just more beltway libertarians making their money being shills for the corporatocracy.

Ben Powell is a Voluntaryist, he is not a beltway libertarian.

[Cutlerzzz]

I did listen to this bull$#@!. I actually work in Nevada, Cali and Arizona and have seen first hand what the drags are.

Ah, so you're using ancedotes as opposed to empirical evidence or theory.

[showpan]

[showpan]

The video above is a reality on almost every job site across America!!!

[PAF]

Prof. Ben Powell addresses most, if not all issues regarding immigration that have been raised on RonPaulForums. If you are in fact an advocate of Freedom, Liberty and Fiscal Responsibility, Ben Powell knocks it out of the park.

Prof. Ben Powell debunks the following three popular myths about immigration:

1) Immigrants are a net drag on our economy
2) Immigrants steal our jobs
3) Immigrants depress our wages

Additionally, Professor Ben Powell examines how immigration is related to Foreign Aid, Prosperity, Property Rights, Crime, Welfare, Voting, Citizenship, and more.

[Swordsmyth]

Excessive and illegal immigrants impose socialism and destroy our economy along with out liberty.

[PAF]

For those seeking truth and actual solutions, this video disproves all of the statists claims. Give it a watch and form your own conclusions.

For Liberty,

PAF

[timosman]

[timosman]

For those seeking truth and actual solutions, this video disproves all of the statists claims. Give it a watch and form your own conclusions.

For Liberty,

PAF

How far to the slaughterhouse?

[Brian4Liberty]

So these videos from “Learn Liberty” lead one to ask, who is “Learn Liberty”?

Learn Liberty is a project of the Institute for Humane Studies (IHS)

Ah, a Koch organization.

ANNOUNCEMENT: SFL ACQUIRES LEARN LIBERTY FROM THE INSTITUTE FOR HUMANE STUDIES

https://www.studentsforliberty.org/a...slearnliberty/

So the short answer is that this is a Koch organization. Globalism is a requirement for Koch organizations, thus open immigration will always be on the agenda.

Now apparently, it’s current parent organization is Students for Liberty (SFL), a globalist organization that was created to provide a global alternative (or co-opt?) to Ron Paul’s Young Americans for Liberty (YAL).

[PAF]

So these videos from “Learn Liberty” lead one to ask, who is “Learn Liberty”?



Ah, a Koch organization.



So the short answer is that this is a Koch organization. Globalism is a requirement for Koch organizations, thus open immigration will always be on the agenda.

Now apparently, it’s current parent organization is Students for Liberty (SFL), a globalist organization that was created to provide a global alternative (or co-opt?) to Ron Paul’s Young Americans for Liberty (YAL).

Hmm, quite the dilemma, isn’t it. I guess restrictionism, which many here advocate and Ron Paul objects to, is the logical way to go then.

I see your point, and finally beginning to come around. I am therefore also becoming a war advocate, because that sleazy democrat Dennis Kucinich is opposed to it.

Does anybody on this revamped RPF support Free Market principles anymore? Since around 2012, give/take, this place did a complete 180, evident by many of the originals no longer participate anymore. Rod Serling, are you lurking?

[Danke]

What BS, pay your workers, and they will come.

[axiomata]

Ben Powells current book
https://www.amazon.com/Socialism-Suc.../dp/162157945X

[Danke]

Does anybody on this revamped RPF support Free Market principles anymore? Since around 2012, give/take, this place did a complete 180, evident by many of the originals no longer participate anymore. Rod Serling, are you lurking?

You promised us you were leaving RPFs. Please fulfill that promise.

[PAF]

You promised us you were leaving RPFs. Please fulfill that promise.

Somebody has to correct the lies that are repeatedly told. For example, the one that you just told.

[Danke]

Somebody has to correct the lies that are repeatedly told. For instance, this one ^^^, as a perfect example.

So you are denying it, did you edit that post?

[Swordsmyth]

Does anybody on this revamped RPF support Free Market principles anymore? Since around 2012, give/take, this place did a complete 180, evident by many of the originals no longer participate anymore. Rod Serling, are you lurking?

Some of us have always supported Ron's 2007 position that said we had to restrict who came here.
Ron held that position because he knows that millions of communist immigrants will turn us into a communist country.

You know that too and so do the Kochs, you just happen to want it.

[Brian4Liberty]

Hmm, quite the dilemma, isn’t it. I guess restrictionism, which many here advocate and Ron Paul objects to, is the logical way to go then.

Weren’t you debating in another thread where Ron Paul stood in 2007 vs. today? What does Ron Paul support and object to? Ron Paul knows. No one else speaks for him.

Does anybody on this revamped RPF support Free Market principles anymore? Since around 2012, give/take, this place did a complete 180, evident by many of the originals no longer participate anymore. Rod Serling, are you lurking?

Two things have not changed since the beginning of this forum. One, immigration policy has always been very divisive, and two, there have always been people who complain that the forum has become this or that.

I’d guess that another thing that has not changed is Ron Paul’s opinions on immigration, despite so many people’s attempts to twist it into something that exactly matches their own opinion.

[PAF]

Weren’t you debating in another thread where Ron Paul stood in 2007 vs. today? What does Ron Paul support and object to? Ron Paul knows. No one else speaks for him.



Two things have not changed since the beginning of this forum. One, immigration policy has always been very divisive, and two, there have always been people who complain that the forum has become this or that.

I’d guess that another thing that has not changed is Ron Paul’s opinions on immigration, despite so many people’s attempts to twist it into something that exactly matches their own opinion.

What I find very disappointing and completely repulsive is the fact that many of us agree on most issues, but one single issue where I disagree, and advocate Private Property Rights and alternative fiscally responsible solutions, has a handful of members spew complete and utter hatred and Negative Reps every post that I make.

Is that what Ron Paul, or you for that matter would promote, in order to achieve peace through prosperity, and bringing people together?

[invisible]

Ron held that position because he knows that millions of communist immigrants will turn us into a communist country.

That's a really interesting claim. Does anyone have a source for Ron Paul actually saying anything remotely like that? Or is this just another case of someone attempting to misrepresent Ron Paul's positions?

[Superfluous Man]

Prof. Ben Powell debunks the following three popular myths about immigration:

1) Immigrants are a net drag on our economy
2) Immigrants steal our jobs
3) Immigrants depress our wages




This was really goood

+rep
Wherever you are.

[Superfluous Man]

That's a really interesting claim. Does anyone have a source for Ron Paul actually saying anything remotely like that? Or is this just another case of someone attempting to misrepresent Ron Paul's positions?

It's the latter.

[r3volution 3.0]

The reality is that anti-immigrant sentiments aren't driven by economic considerations.

Talk about wages, welfare, etc are rationalizations.

The real motivation lies in the realm of "blood and soil."

[Swordsmyth]

That's a really interesting claim. Does anyone have a source for Ron Paul actually saying anything remotely like that? Or is this just another case of someone attempting to misrepresent Ron Paul's positions?

It's the latter.

current reform proposals would allow up to 60 million more immigrants into our country, according to the Heritage Foundation. This is insanity.

Ron Paul