MITT ROMNEY: ... that you came and lobbied them with regards to Medicare Part D, at the same time...
NEWT GINGRICH: Now, wait. Whoa, whoa.
MITT ROMNEY: ... your center was taking in contributions...
NEWT GINGRICH: You just jumped a long way over here, friend.
MITT ROMNEY: Well, another -- another area of influence-peddling.
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NEWT GINGRICH: No, not -- now, let me be very clear, because I understand your technique, which you used on McCain, you used on Huckabee, you've used consistently, OK? It's unfortunate, and it's not going to work very well, because the American people see through it.
I have always publicly favored a stronger Medicare program. I wrote a book in 2002 called "Saving Lives and Saving Money." I publicly favored Medicare Part D for a practical reason, and that reason is simple. The U.S. government was not prepared to give people anything -- insulin, for example -- but they would pay for kidney dialysis. They weren't prepared to give people Lipitor, but they'd pay for open-heart surgery. That is a terrible way to run Medicare.
I am proud of the fact -- and I'll say this in Florida -- I'm proud of the fact that I publicly, openly advocated Medicare Part D. It has saved lives. It's run on a free enterprise model. It also included health savings accounts and it include Medicare alternatives, which gave people choices.
And I did it publicly, and it is not correct, Mitt -- I'm just saying this flatly, because you've been walking around this state saying things that are untrue -- it is not correct to describe public citizenship, having public advocacy as lobbying. Every citizen has the right to do that.
MITT ROMNEY: They sure do.
NEWT GINGRICH: And what I did on behalf of Medicare...
MITT ROMNEY: They sure do.
NEWT GINGRICH: ... I did out in the open, publicly, and that is my right as a citizen.
NBC MODERATOR BRIAN WILLIAMS: Gentlemen...
MITT ROMNEY: Here's why it's a problem, Mr. Speaker. Here's why it's a problem. And that is, if you're getting paid by health companies, if your entities are getting paid by health companies that could benefit from a piece of legislation, and you then meet with Republican congressmen and encourage them to support that legislation, you can call it whatever you'd like. I call it influence-peddling.
It is not right. It is not right. You have a conflict. You are -- you are being paid by companies at the same time you're encouraging people to pass legislation which is in their favor.
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