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    Zuccotti Park 99% movement angry at freeloaders and homeless invading the park

    Zuccotti Park 99% movement angry at freeloaders and homeless invading the park

    http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000...=JAMES+TARANTO




    "It's turning into us against, them," says a 36-year-old Occupy Boston protester quoted by the Boston Herald's Howie Carr. Wait, wasn't that the idea? Not exactly. It turns out that when he says "them," the guy is referring not to billionaire Jewish bankers but street vagrants. "They come in here and they're looking at it as a way of getting a free meal and a place to crash, which is totally fine, but they don't bring anything to the table at all."

    The same is true in New York, where, according to the Daily News, "Zuccotti Park has become a haven for the homeless," who are abandoning shelters and camping out at the park, "enticed by the allure of free food and a community of open-minded people." But as in Boston, open-mindedness goes only so far. "We have compassion toward everyone. However, we have certain rules and guidelines," says Lauren Digioia, 26, who belongs to the "sanitation committee":

    "If you're going to come here and get our food, bedding and clothing, have books and medical supplies for no charge, they need to give back," Digioia said. "There's a lot of takers here and they feel entitled."
    As is often the case, the Onion anticipated all of this, in a 2002 article titled "Marxists' Apartment a Microcosm of Why Marxism Doesn't Work":

    The filthy, disorganized apartment shared by three members of the Amherst College Marxist Society is a microcosm of why the social and economic utopia described in the writings of Karl Marx will never come to fruition, sources reported Monday. . . .

    The situation is familiar to Donald Browning, author of Das Kouch: A History Of College Marxism, 1970-1998.

    "When workers willfully become less productive, the economy of the household suffers," Browning said. "But in a society where a range of ability naturally exists, someone is bound to object to picking up the slack for others and end up getting all pissy, like Josh does."

    According to Browning, the group's lack of productivity pervades their lives, with roommates encouraging each other to skip class or work to sit on the couch smoking pot and talking politics. . . .

    The lack of funds and the resulting scarcity breeds not only discontent but also corruption. Although collectivism only works when all parties contribute to the fullest extent, Foyle hid the existence of a $245 paycheck from roommates so he would not have to pay his back rent, in essence refusing to participate in the forced voluntary taxation that is key to socialism. Even worse, Dorff, who is entrusted with bill collection and payment, recently pocketed $30, a theft he claimed was "for the heating bill" but was put toward buying drinks later that night.
    Meanwhile, the New York Times reports on the "library" at Occupy Boston, which carries a full range of titles from Z to Zinn. The best detail is this: "The librarians have eschewed the Dewey Decimal System, concerned by historical accounts that portray Melvil Dewey, its inventor, as a racist and misogynist."

    Take a college humanities department and deprive it of all the support it receives from capitalist enterprises--investment income from the institution's endowment, tuition money from well-heeled parents, subsidies from taxpayers--and what do you get? A bunch of crazy freeloaders sleeping in a park.



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    So they aren't all commies and socialists?
    "He's talkin' to his gut like it's a person!!" -me
    "dumpster diving isn't professional." - angelatc
    "You don't need a medical degree to spot obvious bullshit, that's actually a separate skill." -Scott Adams
    "When you are divided, and angry, and controlled, you target those 'different' from you, not those responsible [controllers]" -Q

    "Each of us must choose which course of action we should take: education, conventional political action, or even peaceful civil disobedience to bring about necessary changes. But let it not be said that we did nothing." - Ron Paul

    "Paul said "the wave of the future" is a coalition of anti-authoritarian progressive Democrats and libertarian Republicans in Congress opposed to domestic surveillance, opposed to starting new wars and in favor of ending the so-called War on Drugs."

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    The irony of it all....... LMAO!! Aren't these the people that the commies are wanting to give free housing to? Aren't these the people that they are wanting to give a guaranteed living wage too? You would think that the socialists could be a little more social! LOL!

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    Quote Originally Posted by brandon View Post
    lol totally predictable
    Here is a good video that shows this..


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    "Why you telling me to go to the meetings. No, I'm going to stand right here and not go to the meetings."

    lol

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    Herman Cain's rise also coincided with his willingness to publicly state the truth about these 'more government' imbeciles.



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    Quote Originally Posted by RonPaulFanInGA View Post
    Herman Cain's rise also coincided with his willingness to publicly state the truth about these 'more government' imbeciles.
    LOL at BIG Govt Cain. The Federal Reserves candidate.
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    If the right does dramatic clamp downs on these people, they might end up just looking big brotherish.

    Why not just let the movement degenerate on its own. If Zuccotti Park is becoming a homeless shelter and a place for loud mouthing, not very many people will want to protest there.

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    This is sort of what happened to the hippie movement of the 60's. The whole commune idea worked great on paper, but in reality....the druggies and the lazy showed up en masse.

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    At least the hippies were protesting racism and war though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Agorism View Post
    At least the hippies were protesting racism and war though.
    Wars that were caused by......

    (hint: the people OWS are protesting)
    "He's talkin' to his gut like it's a person!!" -me
    "dumpster diving isn't professional." - angelatc
    "You don't need a medical degree to spot obvious bullshit, that's actually a separate skill." -Scott Adams
    "When you are divided, and angry, and controlled, you target those 'different' from you, not those responsible [controllers]" -Q

    "Each of us must choose which course of action we should take: education, conventional political action, or even peaceful civil disobedience to bring about necessary changes. But let it not be said that we did nothing." - Ron Paul

    "Paul said "the wave of the future" is a coalition of anti-authoritarian progressive Democrats and libertarian Republicans in Congress opposed to domestic surveillance, opposed to starting new wars and in favor of ending the so-called War on Drugs."

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    They don't seem to be protesting wars to me but rather promoting Obama reelection.

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    Was there today, heard two different people rant about the FED.. (they were not homeless)

    NY FED is only a couple of blocks away from the park.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dannno View Post
    So they aren't all commies and socialists?
    Nope, apparently it's commies, socialists, and homeless people. Whoopie.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Agorism View Post
    Why not just let the movement degenerate on its own. If Zuccotti Park is becoming a homeless shelter and a place for loud mouthing, not very many people will want to protest there.
    LIKE!

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    The comments on this board concerning OWS are disgusting at worst and disheartening at best. The same media that paints Dr. Paul as a un-electable crazy person are hard at work turning OWS into a "Commie" Woodstock. I thought men and women of liberty looked at people as individuals and not groups. Besides, if we believe the system is collapsing, as it is, why would we consider people looking for social safety nets as a threat? The safety nets are gone folks, this is the perfect time to show our fellow actively-involved equally-pissed Americans that the solution to our problems is ending the fed, income tax, and releasing the creative energies of the common man or "99%" on the world. If you play the "divide and conquer" game you are more hijacked than the OWS protesters. Think about and get back to me.
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    "If you're going to come here and get our food, bedding and clothing, have books and medical supplies for no charge, they need to give back," Digioia said. "There's a lot of takers here and they feel entitled."

    lol christ.. the irony

    i worry for the human gene pool.. what have we bred all these years

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    Quote Originally Posted by Agorism View Post
    They don't seem to be protesting wars to me but rather promoting Obama reelection.
    What the $#@! are you talking about?!? I haven't seen a pro-Obama sign in ANY video including the one you posted or at ANY of the protests I've been to personally.

    In fact, in the video you posted, there was a sign that said, "Surely, voting Democrat will help." which was OBVIOUSLY sarcastic, and the ultra-dick who made the $#@!ing video, who was a bigger dick than any of the people in the video, OBVIOUSLY was too stupid to get it. There are a lot of dicks in LA, I hate LA, so I'm not going to argue for the people in that video, except that the guy who made it was the biggest dick of them all.

    I have seen plenty of anti-war signs.

    Why do you have to act like such a disinfo agent?
    Last edited by dannno; 10-25-2011 at 09:01 PM.
    "He's talkin' to his gut like it's a person!!" -me
    "dumpster diving isn't professional." - angelatc
    "You don't need a medical degree to spot obvious bullshit, that's actually a separate skill." -Scott Adams
    "When you are divided, and angry, and controlled, you target those 'different' from you, not those responsible [controllers]" -Q

    "Each of us must choose which course of action we should take: education, conventional political action, or even peaceful civil disobedience to bring about necessary changes. But let it not be said that we did nothing." - Ron Paul

    "Paul said "the wave of the future" is a coalition of anti-authoritarian progressive Democrats and libertarian Republicans in Congress opposed to domestic surveillance, opposed to starting new wars and in favor of ending the so-called War on Drugs."

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    Quote Originally Posted by jtstellar View Post
    "If you're going to come here and get our food, bedding and clothing, have books and medical supplies for no charge, they need to give back," Digioia said. "There's a lot of takers here and they feel entitled."

    lol christ.. the irony

    i worry for the human gene pool.. what have we bred all these years
    Have you considered that the person who said that might not be a socialist?

    Is that because you believe everybody at OWS are all socialists?
    "He's talkin' to his gut like it's a person!!" -me
    "dumpster diving isn't professional." - angelatc
    "You don't need a medical degree to spot obvious bullshit, that's actually a separate skill." -Scott Adams
    "When you are divided, and angry, and controlled, you target those 'different' from you, not those responsible [controllers]" -Q

    "Each of us must choose which course of action we should take: education, conventional political action, or even peaceful civil disobedience to bring about necessary changes. But let it not be said that we did nothing." - Ron Paul

    "Paul said "the wave of the future" is a coalition of anti-authoritarian progressive Democrats and libertarian Republicans in Congress opposed to domestic surveillance, opposed to starting new wars and in favor of ending the so-called War on Drugs."

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    Why do you have to act like such a disinfo agent?
    LOL, how did you know that I was a secret disinfo agent?

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    Quote Originally Posted by dannno View Post
    Have you considered that the person who said that might not be a socialist?

    Is that because you believe everybody at OWS are all socialists?
    i believe they are uninformed and they are taking a crash course to communism, not socialism.

    another thing i believe and am willing to abide by is that it's easier to convert somebody who bases his positions on beliefs, rather than converting someone who has a financial stake in the subject. hence we have and always will have more success converting neo-cons. but good luck leaning left.
    Last edited by jtstellar; 10-25-2011 at 09:12 PM.

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    is that organizer in the video trying to apply libertarian "federal government" ideologies? this is what i always say about people.. they don't really understand libertarianism governing philosophies. it's all about strict local controls.. libertarianism is actually about VERY strict local controls from friends and neighbors, so the government doesn't have to. family instead of government. friends instead of bureaucrats. but they are staying right next to each other and as 'local' as it can get, yet he is refusing any kind of rule be imposed by the community. this is what sometimes makes me feel hopeless about people who think they know libertarianism (if he is).. they think they understand it but they're just some angry teen/youth running wild.. and stupid
    Last edited by jtstellar; 10-25-2011 at 09:36 PM.



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    Quote Originally Posted by dannno View Post
    What the $#@! are you talking about?!? I haven't seen a pro-Obama sign in ANY video including the one you posted or at ANY of the protests I've been to personally.

    In fact, in the video you posted, there was a sign that said, "Surely, voting Democrat will help." which was OBVIOUSLY sarcastic, and the ultra-dick who made the $#@!ing video, who was a bigger dick than any of the people in the video, OBVIOUSLY was too stupid to get it. There are a lot of dicks in LA, I hate LA, so I'm not going to argue for the people in that video, except that the guy who made it was the biggest dick of them all.

    I have seen plenty of anti-war signs.

    Why do you have to act like such a disinfo agent?
    The denial is staggering. A lot of liberals are anti-war, you know. Not really helping...
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    up here in N.E we are about to get snow. the temps this month were like september, ranging up into the 70s
    and even being above the mid-40s and mid-50s at night. we are going to be in the low 30s real soon now...

    Quote Originally Posted by Agorism View Post
    Zuccotti Park 99% movement angry at freeloaders and homeless invading the park

    http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000...=JAMES+TARANTO


    Quote Originally Posted by Agorism View Post
    If the right does dramatic clamp downs on these people, they might end up just looking big brotherish.

    Why not just let the movement degenerate on its own. If Zuccotti Park is becoming a homeless shelter and a place for loud mouthing, not very many people will want to protest there.
    Quote Originally Posted by angelatc View Post
    This is sort of what happened to the hippie movement of the 60's. The whole commune idea worked great on paper, but in reality....the druggies and the lazy showed up en masse.
    Quote Originally Posted by Gumba of Liberty View Post
    The comments on this board concerning OWS are disgusting at worst and disheartening at best. The same media that paints Dr. Paul as a un-electable crazy person are hard at work turning OWS into a "Commie" Woodstock. I thought men and women of liberty looked at people as individuals and not groups. Besides, if we believe the system is collapsing, as it is, why would we consider people looking for social safety nets as a threat? The safety nets are gone folks, this is the perfect time to show our fellow actively-involved equally-pissed Americans that the solution to our problems is ending the fed, income tax, and releasing the creative energies of the common man or "99%" on the world. If you play the "divide and conquer" game you are more hijacked than the OWS protesters. Think about and get back to me.
    Quote Originally Posted by jtstellar View Post
    "If you're going to come here and get our food, bedding and clothing, have books and medical supplies for no charge, they need to give back," Digioia said. "There's a lot of takers here and they feel entitled."

    lol christ.. the irony

    i worry for the human gene pool.. what have we bred all these years
    Quote Originally Posted by dannno View Post
    What the $#@! are you talking about?!? I haven't seen a pro-Obama sign in ANY video including the one you posted or at ANY of the protests I've been to personally.

    In fact, in the video you posted, there was a sign that said, "Surely, voting Democrat will help." which was OBVIOUSLY sarcastic, and the ultra-dick who made the $#@!ing video, who was a bigger dick than any of the people in the video, OBVIOUSLY was too stupid to get it. There are a lot of dicks in LA, I hate LA, so I'm not going to argue for the people in that video, except that the guy who made it was the biggest dick of them all.

    I have seen plenty of anti-war signs.

    Why do you have to act like such a disinfo agent?
    Quote Originally Posted by dannno View Post
    Have you considered that the person who said that might not be a socialist?

    Is that because you believe everybody at OWS are all socialists?
    Quote Originally Posted by Agorism View Post
    LOL, how did you know that I was a secret disinfo agent?

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    Quote Originally Posted by jtstellar View Post
    i believe they are uninformed and they are taking a crash course to communism, not socialism.

    another thing i believe and am willing to abide by is that it's easier to convert somebody who bases his positions on beliefs, rather than converting someone who has a financial stake in the subject. hence we have and always will have more success converting neo-cons. but good luck leaning left.
    Wow, I've had the opposite experience, but your logic in that argument isn't really correct when it comes to voting for RP.

    Mainstream Republicans often have a financial stake in the subject, it's called taxes. They vote for lower taxes and can give a crap about spending, especially on the military.

    I have had a MUCH easier time convincing leftists to vote for RP, and even change many of their other opinions about govt. Leftists are more often anti-establishment, and RP is very anti-establishment and it is easy to relate to him and his ideas. Ending the war on terror and the war on drugs is not extreme to them.

    How does a leftist have a financial stake in RP not becoming President, anyway? This is where I have a problem with your logic. He didn't say he wanted to take away benefits from those who are dependent, he wants to cut military first. Good luck convincing neocons on that, it can be nearly impossible, although I've planted some seeds and worn down a few.
    Last edited by dannno; 10-25-2011 at 09:26 PM.
    "He's talkin' to his gut like it's a person!!" -me
    "dumpster diving isn't professional." - angelatc
    "You don't need a medical degree to spot obvious bullshit, that's actually a separate skill." -Scott Adams
    "When you are divided, and angry, and controlled, you target those 'different' from you, not those responsible [controllers]" -Q

    "Each of us must choose which course of action we should take: education, conventional political action, or even peaceful civil disobedience to bring about necessary changes. But let it not be said that we did nothing." - Ron Paul

    "Paul said "the wave of the future" is a coalition of anti-authoritarian progressive Democrats and libertarian Republicans in Congress opposed to domestic surveillance, opposed to starting new wars and in favor of ending the so-called War on Drugs."

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    we aren't infighting, Aratus.. just having a grand good laugh at it cus we're all sitting in front of our computers drinking drinks and heater way up.. if we had to organize events we would do a hell lot better than this.. and we have shown it.

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    ...
    Quote Originally Posted by Noob View Post
    Here is a good video that shows this..

    Quote Originally Posted by dannno View Post
    Wars that were caused by......

    (hint: the people OWS are protesting)

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    Quote Originally Posted by dannno View Post
    Wow, I've had the opposite experience, but your logic in that argument isn't really correct when it comes to voting for RP.

    Mainstream Republicans often have a financial stake in the subject, it's called taxes. They vote for lower taxes and can give a crap about spending, especially on the military.

    I have had a MUCH easier time convincing leftists to vote for RP, and even change many of their other opinions about govt. Leftists are more often anti-establishment, and RP is very anti-establishment and it is easy to relate to him and his ideas.

    How does a leftist have a financial stake in RP not becoming President, anyway? This is where I have a problem with your logic. He didn't say he wanted to take away benefits from those who are dependent, he wants to cut military first. Good luck convincing neocons on that, it can be nearly impossible, although I've planted some seeds and worn down a few.
    were your 'leftists' already receiving food stamps? did they work for unions? were they women getting federally funded abortions 3 times a year? remember the part i mentioned about 'financial stakes'.. i don't think i need to talk about how it was such a breeze converting my private sector friends, as opposed to biotech lab workers whose clients were mainly government funded or some medical school student friend who received veteran aid in the past.
    Last edited by jtstellar; 10-25-2011 at 09:30 PM.

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