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    Can we please stop the deniers now? Known climate skeptic admits science is "right"

    http://www.forbes.com/sites/alexknap...arming-exists/

    BEST has now released their data, and determined that their findings are well within the range of previous research. BEST’s findings indicate that in the past 50 years, the average land surface temperature of the Earth has increased about 0.911 degrees Celsius. Moreover, BEST concluded that past research by NOAA, NASA, and other groups were accurate in their estimates of warming.

    This finding, conducted by a noted climate research skeptic and funded by a variety of non-partisan sources, should hopefully end the debate over whether the Earth is warming. All the data points to the same conclusion. It is. I’ve no doubt that this will lead to another set of debates over the extent to which the cause is the result of CO2 and methane emissions, but I’m hopeful they will be much shorter. That CO2 and methane, when introduced to a mixture of gasses, allow for more heat to be trapped is indisputable – you can conduct an experiment on it yourself in your garage for a couple hundred bucks. While climate is certainly an extraordinarily complicated mechanism, the facts keep pointing back to this simple fact of chemistry. Increased CO2 and methane may not be the sole cause of climate change, but it’s definitely a cause and almost certainly a major one.
    What else will it take to make the deniers admit they are on the wrong side of SCIENCE?



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    even if they're right, the government shouldn't do anything about it. so this discussion is a waste of time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by low preference guy View Post
    even if they're right, the government shouldn't do anything about it. so this discussion is a waste of time.
    naw, governments around the world should work to cap those darn volcanoes!

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    And the other planets in the solar system that are also warming?

    Who promised you a stable climate anyway? Al Gore? In the framework of geological time, which IS the relevant one when talking about the Earth, the climate has NEVER been stable. The idea that it ever has been is an illusion brought about by the short human lifespan and hysterical idiots like Al Gore.

    Life is change. Get used to it.
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    Wait a minute... WHICH temperature is ideal? And who gets to decide? And how much money is it going to cost to try to achieve that temperature? And once it's achieved, how much does it cost to keep it there?

    These are all relevant questions if we plan on preventing climate change.
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    Of course the planet is warming, we are coming out of a minor ice age that centered around the time of the founding of our country.

    The planet was much warmer during the medieval warming period, it had nothing to do with man or CO2 then, and today man's affect and CO2 in general appear to be negligible in regards to affecting temperature changes and climate shifts as well.

    It is such a shame that environmentalists waste their time on something harmless like CO2 when there are so many other harmful and toxic pollutants that our government allows to be released. reillym, by focusing on MMGW theories you are really just distracting everybody from real environmental issues that will never be addressed thanks to your distractions. Is your real intention to destroy the planet with toxic pollution?
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    I don't deny climate change. I just think it is a natural cycle of the solar system. Primarily caused by solar activity and gyrations in Earth's orbit. The earth is sometimes very cold such as during the time of massive glaciation during the Paleolithic period. At other times it has been exceedingly warm such as during the time of the Dinosaurs.

    Right now, we are leaving a minor cooling period, and heading toward a somewhat warmer period, but our temps right now are moderate compared to those extremes I mentioned in the last paragraph. Personally, I'd rather see warmer than cooler. Warmer usually leads to increasing precipitation, more rainforests, and increasing arable land. Cooling leads to water sequestion in glaciers, global drying, more deserts, and less arable land.
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    Does this mean my ice fishing season will be shorter this year?
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    Quote Originally Posted by specsaregood View Post
    naw, governments around the world should work to cap those darn volcanoes!
    Yes, and impose a breathing tax on all humans payable to the WORLD BANK.

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    Yes. And the warming temperature is contributing to more and more rapes. It must be stopped.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dannno View Post
    Of course the planet is warming, we are coming out of a minor ice age that centered around the time of the founding of our country.

    The planet was much warmer during the medieval warming period, it had nothing to do with man or CO2 then, and today man's affect and CO2 in general appear to be negligible in regards to affecting temperature changes and climate shifts as well.

    It is such a shame that environmentalists waste their time on something harmless like CO2 when there are so many other harmful and toxic pollutants that our government allows to be released. reillym, by focusing on MMGW theories you are really just distracting everybody from real environmental issues that will never be addressed thanks to your distractions. Is your real intention to destroy the planet with toxic pollution?
    Did you read the article? Our increase in CO2 is EXACTLY WHAT THE STUDY PROVED.

    Read, please.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Acala View Post
    And the other planets in the solar system that are also warming?

    Who promised you a stable climate anyway? Al Gore? In the framework of geological time, which IS the relevant one when talking about the Earth, the climate has NEVER been stable. The idea that it ever has been is an illusion brought about by the short human lifespan and hysterical idiots like Al Gore.

    Life is change. Get used to it.
    Nice twisting of the argument. You realize that you have been wrong about the science, so you try to divert the argument.

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    So now that "the science is in", the only logic reaction is a huge global tax on developed countries, at least those countries which can be forced to participate, to be managed by Goldman Sachs, and then distribute the trillions of dollars all around the world as the globalists see fit.

    That will solve this whole global warming problem!
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    What's your solution OP?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bruno View Post
    So now that "the science is in", the only logic reaction is a huge global tax on developed countries, at least those countries which can be forced to participate, to be managed by Goldman Sachs, and then distribute the trillions of dollars all around the world as the globalists see fit.

    That will solve this whole global warming problem!
    This article is not in support of that. Bad solutions are no reason to ignore science. Or reality. Corrupt people everywhere take advantage of everything, just because climate change is no different doesn't make the science false.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mczerone View Post
    What's your solution OP?
    I, unlike many on this board, have the humility to acknowledge that I do not know some things. This is one of them. Although, any smart solution would balance regulation(smart) and free-market principles, I would hope.



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    Quote Originally Posted by reillym View Post
    This article is not in support of that. Bad solutions are no reason to ignore science. Or reality. Corrupt people everywhere take advantage of everything, just because climate change is no different doesn't make the science false.
    why should we even care about this issue, when we know that the government shouldn't do anything either way.? this should be left to scientists.

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    Quote Originally Posted by low preference guy View Post
    why should we even care about this issue, when we know that the government shouldn't do anything either way.? this should be left to scientists.
    I think the government could have a role here; in disaster planning or preventive measures to handle increased temperatures. Not to try to stop or reverse it; but how to live with it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by specsaregood View Post
    I think the government could have a role here; in disaster planning or preventive measures to handle increased temperatures. Not to try to stop or reverse it; but how to live with it.
    federal or state level?

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    Quote Originally Posted by reillym View Post
    Did you read the article? Our increase in CO2 is EXACTLY WHAT THE STUDY PROVED.

    Read, please.
    LOL, no it didn't.. increase in temperatures causes increases in CO2, anyway, haven't you seen THOSE studies?! Your correlation is backwards.
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    I know my solution.

    1. End corporate personhood.
    2. Enforce property rights so that polluters of my property can be challenged for damages.
    3. End the wars. Massively shrink the US military. Foreign adventurism has made them the single largest consumer of petroleum in the U.S.

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    Quote Originally Posted by reillym View Post
    I, unlike many on this board, have the humility to acknowledge that I do not know some things. This is one of them. Although, any smart solution would balance regulation(smart) and free-market principles, I would hope.
    Legalizing industrial hemp would help.

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    Quote Originally Posted by low preference guy View Post
    federal or state level?
    Probably a combination, i mean our military should probably have some planning measures to implement. how to secure facilities, etc.
    Currently the feds handle dams, levees, bridges and such; although I'm not sure the fed should be handling those items, they already do and should plan ahead in those areas.

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    Quote Originally Posted by reillym View Post
    Did you read the article? Our increase in CO2 is EXACTLY WHAT THE STUDY PROVED.

    Read, please.
    According to the summary you posted, the study only found that temperatures are increasing over the last 50 years..

    I’ve no doubt that this will lead to another set of debates over the extent to which the cause is the result of CO2 and methane emissions, but I’m hopeful they will be much shorter.
    Are you saying that the summary you posted is not an accurate representation of the study? If so, then why did you post it? Were you purposely trying to deceive us?
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    Yes, give government your money and all will be well...

    Factor in weather modification, first, before you go blaming Global Warming on anything else.



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    Quote Originally Posted by reillym View Post
    Nice twisting of the argument. You realize that you have been wrong about the science, so you try to divert the argument.
    Lol. The argument has always had at least three stages:

    1. Is the earth warming? That seems to depend on where you stick the thermometer. But for the sake of argument let's give you this.

    2. Assuming #1 is true, the next question is (and always has been) is warming caused by human activity? It is clear that the earth has gone through temperature changes before human activity could possible have had any effect. So why should this temperature change be different? What caused the earth to warm up PRIOR to human activity? And why are other planets warming now when human activity could not be involved? Unless and until you can answer these questions, the science needed to back your position is lacking.

    3. Assuming the earth is warming and human activity is a major cause AND that changing human activity can change the warming, what should we do about it? I, for one, will not accept greater government power at any level.

    So, far from twisting the argument, I have simply laid out the whole chain. One broken link and you fail.
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    http://wattsupwiththat.com/2011/10/22/a-preliminary-assessment-of-bests-decline/
    http://wattsupwiththat.com/2011/10/21/a-mathematicians-response-to-best

    http://washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/op-eds/2011/10/scientific-case-man-made-climate-change-dead

    http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/jamesdelingpole/100112834/global-warming-is-real/

    I
    t appears that the Telegraph has edited its online version. Orignally it mentioned that the data was being questioned by another prominent scientist who said the methodology was flawed.



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    The issue was not whether global warming was really happening. The issue was whether man is contributing to it in any significant way. If man is not, the government cannot change the outcome by imposing regulations.
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    I'm just gonna leave this here

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    Let's assume the climate alarmists are correct, that human production of carbon dioxide and methane is a significant contributor to global temperature change. What's the big deal? How does it change anything in the long run? The ice caps are going to melt, coastlines are going to change, huge natural disasters are going to occur, and this all would have happened with or without humans. And then after some millennia things will start getting colder again. And this will continue for a few billion years until the sun goes supernova. It's like a spider landing on the pendulum of a grandfather clock...

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