I'm completely shocked that there's people out there who believe that the government is responsible for peaceful technological advances in the market, and I thought I heard it all. I really hope this guy is trolling.
Last edited by vodalian; 10-17-2011 at 05:03 PM.
Oh boy....Originally Posted by Becker
And we wonder why we are headfirst into tyranny and bankruptcy when we have people like this in the country.^^^
You have to really congratulate the state-educators. They have done a bang up job for many many years.
Who was taxed and how? Were those income taxes short term?
I can't change it when too many people think like you.
Exactly my point: who the $#@! are you to tell me to GTFO?
I just want to be left alone.
YOU are the one supporting a system that feels the need to all up in my $#@! 24/7.
Which is why I don't necessarily agree with the "pure democracy" of the market.I call that "market demand". If the market demanded otherwise, why isn't it otherwise? You think politicians can't be bribed to do things your way if you had enough money?
Nor do I believe that just because an organization may be private, does not mean that it cannot be tyrannical.
Alcohol taxes accounted for 70% of federal revenues before the income tax
source-Ken Burns prohibition documentary
Prior to 1913 and Income Tax and Prohibition, the Federal Govt got 1/3rd of its funds from taxes on Alcohol. Keep in mind the Federal Govt was very small in comparison to what it is today with every alpabet soup bureacracy and countless employees and contractors. Basically, teh way it should have stayed.
1776 > 1984
The FAILURE of the United States Government to operate and maintain an Honest Money System , which frees the ordinary man from the clutches of the money manipulators, is the single largest contributing factor to the World's current Economic Crisis.
The Elimination of Privacy is the Architecture of Genocide
Belief, Money, and Violence are the three ways all people are controlled
Yes. The South imported physical capital from Europe while the North exported their finished goods to Europe. The South paid 4/5ths of all tariffs during a time when tariffs were the only source of Federal Revenue. Add to the situation the explosive population growth in the North, The newly founded Republican Party's objection to the expansion of slavery, and the growing irrelevance of the Federal Government in the eyes of the American people, it comes as no surprise that the South wanted to part ways. But what the new Republican Party really wanted when they nominated Lincoln in 1860 was what Henry Clay, a disciple of Alexander Hamilton and hero of Abraham Lincoln, wanted when he called for "The American System". High Tariffs, Internal Improvements (Federal Subsides), and a National (Central) Bank.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/America...economic_plan)
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"If a nation expects to be ignorant and free, in a state of civilization, it expects what never was and never will be." - Thomas Jefferson
"It does not require a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority keen to set brush fires in people's minds" - Sam Adams
Hmm...
"The human race divides politically into those who want people to be controlled and those who have no such desire.The former are idealists acting from highest motives for the greatest good of the greatest number.The latter are surly curmudgeons,suspicious and lacking in altruism. But they are more comfortable neighbors than the other sort." -Robert A. Heinlein
"IF GOD DIDN'T WANT TO HELP AMERICA, THEN WE WOULD HAVE Hillary Clinton"!!"let them search you,touch you,violate your Rights,just don't be a dick!"~ cdc482"For Wales. Why Richard, it profits a man nothing to give his soul for the whole world. But for Wales?"All my life I've been at the mercy of men just following orders... Never again!~Erik LehnsherrThere's nothing wrong with stopping people randomly, especially near bars, restaurants etc.~Velho
Help me out here. A duty is on an imported item, paid by the end user/retail buyer, where a tariff is collected from the importer? On a tariff, is it billed and collected at the entry points, such as a shipyard or airport?
What is an impost?
Excise is a sales tax, right - like on gasoline? Or can a sales tax be applied on top of the excise tax?
Your mentioning the industrial revolution reminded me of something. About a year ago, I saw a site that had photos of people in Halloween costumes, at the turn of the century. In the text, it mentioned that people really got into the costumes that were old fashioned because many were upset and depressed about the industrial revolution. It was sort of how people, now, get into vintage clothing and appliances, trying to preserve something from a time when life was simpler. It really struck me as very sad. In many ways, it must have been terrible time as industry trashed nature.
I just ran across this interesting link, last night. Haven't read much of it but I think you may like it:
http://thedeliberateagrarian.blogspo...me-things.html
And were full time mothers and homemakers which progressives denigrated as somehow not counting.
Of course Women worked
Duties:
Customs duty is a kind of indirect tax which is realized on goods of international trade. In economic sense, it is also a kind of consumption tax. Duties levied by the government in relation to imported items is referred to as import duty. In the same vein, duties realized on export consignments is called export duty. Tariff which is actually a list of commodities along with the leviable rate (amount) of Customs duty is popularly understood as Customs duty.
Excises:
Unlike an ad valorem, an excise is not a function of the value of the product being taxed. Excise taxes are based on the quantity, not the value, of product purchased. For example, in the United States, the Federal government imposes an excise tax of 18.4 cents per U.S. gallon (4.86¢/L) of gasoline, while state governments levy an additional 8 to 28 cents per U.S. gallon.
Imposts are just another term for tariffs, either import or export.
That world that you want exists, right now, in Singapore. I have a friend who just spent several months there. It's extremely modern, spic and span clean, and very controlled. Get out of line and the consequences are harsh. It's very safe. It's a perfect Stepford world. She said it has a beautiful veneer. Kind of like the Truman Show. Sounds like you would love it. What are you waiting for?
Odd because you sound so bitter.
That is astounding!
Your astonishment is based on fiction. Liquor taxes were 30 to 40% of Federal Revenue.
"If a nation expects to be ignorant and free, in a state of civilization, it expects what never was and never will be." - Thomas Jefferson
"It does not require a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority keen to set brush fires in people's minds" - Sam Adams
Awesome.
+rep
And that makes me a perfect neighbor.
Annual Message of 1815 (Seven Points)
* Funds for national defense
* Frigates for the Navy
* A standing army and federal control of the militia
* Federal aid for building roads and canals
* A protective tariff to encourage manufacturers
* Re-establishing the National Bank
* Federal assumption of some state debt
Wow, talk about a serious detour from the constitution! I admit to being a protectionist, at heart, but I can see where these policies were a beginning on our road to hell.
I would take issue with what Heinlein said. It's always in cities where people stand by by while someone gets stabbed to death. City people are the most "domesticated", if you will. In the country, get stuck in a ditch and some redneck with a tow rope and a truck will always stop and pull you out.
It's those same city folk that will stand by that are full of "big ideas" and smarmy, glad handing, $#@! eating grin, platitudes.
Thanks. Because it's a forum, I prefer to ask and talk about it rather than just Google.
AF, IIRC, you support tariffs as means of revenue, especially with abolishing the income tax, right? I do and I know that doesn't fully square with some truly free market ideas. I wonder if there's a part of the argument that I missed. Meaning, without tariffs, aren't we were we are now, with globalization which is, obviously, death for anyone who doesn't want to race to the bottom.
I noticed that there was a discrepancy in the answers on this. I thought it may be due to exactly which years are being talked about. I find hard to believe that that much booze was consumed, lol.
But I've never perceived you as a curmudgeon. Quite the opposite, in fact.
Agreed. As you said, all up in your $#@! and so willing to tell you how to live your life. That may be due to physical proximity and the need to be sane while living too close. No doubt, Jefferson understood it because of his comments about cities.
Understood, sounds familiar.
You just answered your own question above, because I am in the majority and its always easier to move the small number.Exactly my point: who the $#@! are you to tell me to GTFO?
I just want to be left alone.
You just want to be left alone, that's nice, luckily just in case you don't, we have safeguards against it too.
Not quite, I'm just OK with it enough that I won't fight for your rights unless it benefits me. (first they came for these guys, and I didn't speak up, then they came for me, sorry, I got better things to worry about sometimes)YOU are the one supporting a system that feels the need to all up in my $#@! 24/7.
Glad we agree there.Which is why I don't necessarily agree with the "pure democracy" of the market.
Nor do I believe that just because an organization may be private, does not mean that it cannot be tyrannical.
Ok. Good to know. A little more crowded and smaller than I wanted, but not bad. Luckily I am willing to give up chewing gum and already support death penalty.
How welcome are they to westerners becoming citizens or permanent residents?I have a friend who just spent several months there. It's extremely modern, spic and span clean, and very controlled. Get out of line and the consequences are harsh.
I'm not exactly complaining about the country I live in. It can be better and can be worse.It's very safe. It's a perfect Stepford world. She said it has a beautiful veneer. Kind of like the Truman Show. Sounds like you would love it. What are you waiting for?
Becker, you sound very totalitarian and sociopathic in your preferences. Singapore was a British colony so it might be a good fit, lol.
I don't know what the requirements are to becoming a citizen or permanent residency, but you'll need a job with an industry that's big there - big oil, mining, big pharma, international finance. It is a corporate state, 100%. Good luck!
I am not totalitarian, I am however practical, and I do not unconditionally support or oppose the government.
I don't know what the requirements are to becoming a citizen or permanent residency, but you'll need a job with an industry that's big there - big oil, mining, big pharma, international finance. It is a corporate state, 100%. Good luck!
There was too much human exploitation in America back then, I personally won't be taking notes from that era for good governance examples.
Sure, man. It's pretty simple really. Today it's something along the lines of...
Back then it was more like...
"One of the great victories of the state, is that the word "Anarchy" terrifies people but, the word "State" does not" - Tom Woods
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