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    Quote Originally Posted by swissaustrian View Post
    Zerohedge reports that US aircraft carrier CVN 77 George H.W. Bush just arrived at the shores of Syria.
    If the US attacks Syria, Iran will be pushed to do something.
    http://www.zerohedge.com/news/aircra...ry-immediately
    The George HW Bush is passing through the Mediteranian on its way back to the US after its first official deployment. Story from two days ago (Nov 22, 2011):
    http://www.wvec.com/news/military/US...134312293.html
    USS George H.W. Bush Strike Group to return home

    WVEC.com

    Posted on November 22, 2011 at 7:44 AM

    NORFOLK -- The USS George H.W. Bush Carrier Strike Group is beginning its journey home.

    The group deployed in May, and according to the Virginian Pilot, they're winding down their mission in the Mediterranean Sea to return to Norfolk.

    No specific homecoming date has been announced.

    This is the aircraft carrier's maiden deployment.
    It was near the Strait of Hormuz which would become a flash point should there be a conflict with Iran- they would try to shut it down which would have a major negative economic impact on the world- particularly the US since 40% of the world's oil passes thorugh there every day. If we were thinking about something which would involve Iran, we would want to keep forces in that area- instead the USS Bush is going home.
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    *Note to self

    Buy more Canadian oil tomorrow

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    It was near the Strait of Hormuz which would become a flash point should there be a conflict with Iran- they would try to shut it down which would have a major negative economic impact on the world- particularly the US since 40% of the world's oil passes thorugh there every day. If we were thinking about something which would involve Iran, we would want to keep forces in that area- instead the USS Bush is going home.
    Seems like zerohedge missed that information. Thanks + rep.
    ZH thought USS GWB would reach the shores of Syria to attack them, though. After rethinking it, I come to the conclusion that Iran (as well as Syria) could be attacked by aircrafts stationed in Iraq, Turkey, Saudi Arabia, Pakistan, and Afghanistan anyway:

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    The UK embassy in Teheran is beeing occupied by Iranian students. They have taken 8 hostages. One building is burning:
    http://www.zerohedge.com/news/iran-u...n-contra-redux
    Brent is up 1.25% on the news

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    Pimcoīs take on oil and Iran:
    Playing ‘What If?’ with Oil Prices and a Potential Strike on Iranian Nuclear Facilities
    •​The market has less “cushion” than it did earlier this year due to significant production outages and relatively strong non-OECD demand, leading to sharp draws on inventories.
    •Excess capacity is virtually exhausted and we doubt other OPEC nations would be able to compensate for a reduction in Iranian oil production.
    •In light of these possible oil price spikes, investors should evaluate how their portfolios might be affected by a sudden or sharp burst of inflation.

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    Below we outline four hypothetical scenarios for output and prices that could materialize if Israel attacks Iran’s nuclear sites. Again, we emphasize that we are not predicting the likelihood of Israel’s action or inaction in any way.


    •Scenario 1: Exports minimally effected. Concerns would drive initial price response. IEA would likely make statements about willingness to meet any shortfall in supplies. Oil could spike initially to $130 to $140 per barrel and then settle in a higher range, around $120 to $125, in relatively short order as a premium (mostly a risk premium) becomes embedding into the market, at least for a while. The timing of the spike would depend on how much the market is taken by surprise and whether or not the strike is priced in ahead of time.
    •Scenario 2: Iranian exports cut off for one month. IEA would likely swing into action and Saudi Arabia could begin to offer more oil into market. In this case, we would expect prices could reach previous all-time highs of $145/bbl or even higher depending on issues with shipping. The IEA and Saudi Arabia can meet market needs, but the increase in uncertainty and the loss of spare capacity would affect pricing. In this case, after a few months, we would expect prices could fall back to $130 to $135/bbl range.
    •Scenario 3: Iranian exports are lost for half a year. This is where the potential outcomes get quite dicey. We think oil prices could probably rally and average $150 for the six months, with notable spikes above that level. The IEA would likely release oil steadily, but consumption will need to take a hit from prices and slower economic activity. Once Iranian crude oil returns to the market and the environment stabilizes, oil would likely return to around $110/bbl or even lower depending on global strength at the time.
    •Scenario 4: Greater loss of production from around the region, either through subsequent Iranian response or due to lack of ability to move oil through Straits of Hormuz. This is the Armageddon scenario in which oil prices could soar, significantly constraining global growth. Forecasting prices in the prior scenarios is dangerous enough. So, we won’t even begin to forecast a cap or target price in this final Doomsday scenario.
    http://www.pimco.com/EN/Insights/Pag...cilities-.aspx

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    There has been speculation that the US or Israel was on the verge of attacking Iran for years now. I don't see any provocation big enough to cause this- even the attack on the Embassay.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    There has been speculation that the US or Israel was on the verge of attacking Iran for years now. I don't see any provocation big enough to cause this- even the attack on the Embassay.
    The provocation will likely be a flase flag - as (nearly) always.
    Netanyahu and Obama are both desperately searching for ways to get reelected.
    Obamaīs top foreign policy advisor, neo-colonialist Zbigniew Brzezinski, has had a wet dream about a false flag to trigger an Iran war for a long time:
    From a Senate hearing in 2007
    Only a political strategy that is historically relevant rather than reminiscent of colonial tutelage can provide the needed framework for a tolerable resolution of both the war in Iraq and the intensifying regional tensions.
    If the United States continues to be bogged down in a protracted bloody involvement in Iraq, the final destination on this downhill track is likely to be a head-on conflict with Iran and with much of the world of Islam at large. A plausible scenario for a military collision with Iran involves Iraqi failure to meet the benchmarks; followed by accusations of Iranian responsibility for the failure; then by some provocation in Iraq or a terrorist act in the U.S. blamed on Iran; culminating in a “defensive” U.S. military action against Iran that plunges a lonely America into a spreading and deepening quagmire eventually ranging across Iraq, Iran, Afghanistan, and Pakistan.
    http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/HL0702/S00079.htm
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    Obama would lose if the US attacked Iran. The US citizens are tired of the two wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. A war with Iran would also badly hurt the US economy- the major issue for many voters. If the economy gets worse, it is nearly guaranteed that he will be voted out. How would war with Iran make the economy worse? Oil. 40% of all the oil in the world passess through the Straits of Hormuz. This narrow passage is at the tip of Iran and should a conflict arise, it would be quite easy for them to either significanly reduce or even close off tanker traffic through there. That would cause a major spike in oil prices which would in turn have a very negative impact on the US economy. These reasons are why a US war with Iran would be bad news for Obama if he wanted to stay in office and for me are major reasons he would not want to get involved in one.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    Obama would lose if the US attacked Iran. The US citizens are tired of the two wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. A war with Iran would also badly hurt the US economy- the major issue for many voters. If the economy gets worse, it is nearly guaranteed that he will be voted out. How would war with Iran make the economy worse? Oil. 40% of all the oil in the world passess through the Straits of Hormuz. This narrow passage is at the tip of Iran and should a conflict arise, it would be quite easy for them to either significanly reduce or even close off tanker traffic through there. That would cause a major spike in oil prices which would in turn have a very negative impact on the US economy. These reasons are why a US war with Iran would be bad news for Obama if he wanted to stay in office and for me are major reasons he would not want to get involved in one.
    I think it depends on the reason for war.
    Lets say we see an "attack" on Israel. Israel retaliates. The zionist lobby in the US goes wild. US msm cheers. What will the average voter think? Rally behind the "leader".
    I donīt expect a large scale war with ground troops etc. But an airstrike against "strategic targets" (i.e. nuclear facilties etc.) doesnīt seem to be totally improbable imho.
    With regards to the topic of this thread: As I emphasized in the op: In order for oil and gold prices to spike, this doesnīt necessarily require a war. Even some hawkish rhetoric and events like the one today make prices go up (temporarily). The (imaginary) threat of Iran is already beeing used in the presidential race and it will be an issue until the election is over. Obama could easily use this issue, claiming to be a "peacekeeper" (like in Libya). He canīt win on the economy. Whatīs left for him to win? Either an extremely vulnerable oponent (like Gingrich) or to make foreign policy a dominating election issue.

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